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There is an insufferable smugness about a trio of posters on here and an unwillingness to even consider that anyone involved in racing could be at fault in any way.
Ditto Eddie.
Of course the jockey deserves to be punished. He will be.
Can’t you think of your own lines instead of using others?
You’re not well up on the case are you Ginger?
He has been "punished" 28 days he received, it’s not sufficient. How many times have you seen McCoy make a similar "error" in his long career?
Amazing the moral high ground some of you take when discussing betting, especially someone with Tipster in their forum name. Or maybe it’s just the misguided feeling of superiority on the internet.
Mark,
I disagree with your opinion on this one issue. I’ve agreed with you on plenty of subjects in the past. That’s all, no big deal. My first post was aimed more at Making Headway’s post than yours Mark.As for you not backing David Probert again… Personally Mark, I’d rather back a jockey who actually gets in to a winning position than one making mistakes in running and never getting there. But each to his own.
Value Is EverythingThere is an insufferable smugness about a trio of posters on here and an unwillingness to even consider that anyone involved in racing could be at fault in any way.
Where have I said Probert is not at fault Woolfie?
Value Is EverythingDitto Eddie.
Of course the jockey deserves to be punished. He will be.
Can’t you think of your own lines instead of using others?
You’re not well up on the case are you Ginger?
He has been "punished" 28 days he received, it’s not sufficient. How many times have you seen McCoy make a similar "error" in his long career?
By using your words Eddie, I was using irony. ie It works both ways.
Yes, Probert "will be punished" by being out of work for 28 days.
… But McCoy is the best jockey riding today. Probert is not McCoy.
Value Is EverythingThere is an insufferable smugness about a trio of posters on here and an unwillingness to even consider that anyone involved in racing could be at fault in any way.
Is that in the same way that you can’t be at fault in any way for your inability to make a profit and think it is the fault of everyone else and that racing is bent ?
This was a crass error by Probert and he deserves his ban.
I remember Willie Carson doing my money in similar circumstances many years ago but I never get too uptight about such things as they’re always going to happen no matter how long you make the bans. The trouble with employing humans is we’re all pretty crap at things.
However, I do like Making Headway’s suggestions of bookmakers paying out on the losing horse (presumably they pay out on the winner too!), personally sueing the jockey for breach of a contract that you don’t have with him, and of course the mandatory lifetime ban. Got a feeling that would have finished Carson, Piggott, Eddery etc before they had even started…!
Mike
I did not have any financial interest whatsoever. I emphasize that point massively. But I feel for whoever did.
I have been on the receiving end of such incidents previously and feel that no ban is big enough. THAT HORSE SHOULD HAVE WON FULL STOP.
Jockey’s have a responsibility.
Such blatant incidents where the result is so clearly cheated, punter’s should have a right to their payout or the right to sue for breach of jockey not riding to the horses full ability.
Put it simply, If you had s massive £100,000 punt and that occurred? What would you do?
I repeat the word responsibility. It is a problem that need correction!!
Is a lifetime ban enough? NO! Jockey’s should be liable!!What about the horse that should of won the other day but was cheated out of it on the line because the jockey of the winner broke the rules with over use of the whip. Should the jockey be liable to pay all those who backed the runner up.
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There is an insufferable smugness about a trio of posters on here and an unwillingness to even consider that anyone involved in racing could be at fault in any way.
And without any questions asked they snigger at mug punters.
Maybe it’s not the case but that’s how it comes across.There’s more comment here on the people betting on the horse than the ride itself – another problem with racing.
Surely Probert’s error was to ease his horse down in the finish at all. Misjudging it is always a possibility, so his mistake was in taking that chance at all.
I think people are right to be angry with the young jockey for failing to make that admission. His comments suggest he will probably make the same mistake twice. Something has to be done about this culture of easing down in fairly close finishes.
I made this suggestion years ago:
When the winner interferes with the second and prevents it from winning – it’s the wrong result and placings reversed.When there is a dead heat both horses are paid out to half stake.
So what about?….
If a jockey eases up prematurely and is obvious he/she should’ve won – a stewards enquirey is called. If certain the horse would’ve won – they call "wrong result"… Race result settled as paying to half stake for both winner and second. If I’d backed the winner yesterday I’d have been glad to win half. If I’d backed the second I wouldn’t be happy, but satisfied with half. Prize money for connections is not altered, winner gets full amount. Jockey gets the same penalty/punishment as now.May not be a perfect solution, but might be better than it is at the moment?
Value Is EverythingSomething has to be done about this culture of easing down in fairly close finishes.
Easily done TYF. If the handicapper is cautious when assessing eased eased up winners – by adding more to its mark than he does now… Then connections will get to know easing up will not help them in future races.
Value Is EverythingHe has been "punished" 28 days he received, it’s not sufficient.
…in your opinion!
Congratulations!
Glad you’ve realised it’s a forum
So what about?….
If a jockey eases up prematurely and is obvious he/she should’ve won – a stewards enquirey is called. If certain the horse would’ve won – they call "wrong result"… Race result settled as paying to half stake for both winner and second. If I’d backed the winner yesterday I’d have been glad to win half. If I’d backed the second I wouldn’t be happy, but satisfied with half. Prize money for connections is not altered, winner gets full amount. Jockey gets the same penalty/punishment as now.May not be a perfect solution, but might be better than it is at the moment?
That’s the daftest suggestion I’ve heard in years, even sillier than Muscat’s earlier in the week.
That’s the daftest suggestion I’ve heard in years, even sillier than Muscat’s earlier in the week.
Care to tell us why Eddie?
What is your solution? Hang them?
Remembering that punishment must fit the crime, otherwise courts would intervene if preventing someone to do his/her job for too long.Value Is EverythingJeez there is nothing worse than doing all your homework, finding a winner, backing it and then seeing a pilot error cost you. Been there, seen it many many times. Should the jockey get punished? Of course. Should he/she be hung, drawn and quartered? Of course not. 28 days is absolutely right and I bet he won’t be making the same mistake again anytime soon.
However….
…..this is a sport and sportspeople make mistakes. When Ian Bell charges a spinner first ball and gets caught. When Ivanovic back passes straight into the path of a Swansea attacker and concedes a goal. Then does it again! When athletes think they have finished 4th to qualify for an olympic final and ease up only to get pipped on the line. When in 1984 I declined an offer from my teammate to finish joint first in the senior school cross country race only to see him then sprint off and win by himself. It happens to the best of us.
Ease off David Probert!!!!
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