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Can’t believe this one has slipped under the radar!
It’s for the W.B.A. Heavyweight title for christs sake
A really interesting fight (David and Goliath and all that) that could go either way, and another long awaited chance to see a british heavyweight champion again – albeit a weak one – but who cares?!
TALE OF THE TAPE….
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6ft5"..Height…7ft 2"
15st5 Weight…23st
81"….Reach….88"
17"….Neck…..22"
42"….Chest….52"
11"….Fist…..14&half"
16"….Bicep….18"
32"….Waist….48"8/13 and 7/4 respectively.
Valuev will no doubt use his considerable weight advantage and lean on Haye for as long as he’s standing, hoping to grind Haye down and ultimately stop him. Haye will try and land bombs on the cumbersome giant – and will – but will they be enough to topple a man that’s never smelt canvas? and with a head that looks like something out of the Volkswagen Wolfsburg plant?
I can’t see Haye ‘breaking him down’ as he puts it, and take Valuev to stop him late on. I fear Valuev will quite literally be too much for Haye and I think there’s only one path this fight can take if it goes past the first 5 rounds – and I expect it to.
I’d crawl over dog mess and boken glass to see this.
I have already backed Valuev.
Even so, the man has all the boxing skills of a Primo Carnera or a Jess Willard but, unlike them, is much harder to stop.
His main weapon is his left jab, which he uses to good, if not great effect. A big, lumbering, cumbersome, freakish looking, monster of a man, Haye will find it difficult to floor him, even though he is ten times faster and has a much harder punch.
Another thing which probably goes in the Russian’s favour is that he will be fighting in his adopted country of Germany, where, should the fight go the distance, the odds of David Haye getting the verdict, is very slim indeed. Just ask Evander Holyfield, who according to most judges, easily out boxed Valuev when they met, but strangely ( ?
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I think Haye has the speed to get in and out and will beat Valuev probably on points. Valuev isn’t a great boxer or puncher he’s just so bloody huge!!!
Good call, Ian – you’re not a classic winner for nothing!
I actually thought Valuev would wear down Haye in the latter rounds.
Glad to see the judges give the right/fair result – doesn’t always happen in boxing as we know!
I’m also surprised this fight failed to create more interest on here.
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Haye done very well and so glad to see a fair result in Germany. Don’t know what was up with Valuev – he didn’t throw nearly enough leather on the night and boxed worse than I’ve ever seen him. Tactics were shite.
Poor fellow. It seems clear to even my untrained eye that he is suffering from Acromegaly – the chronic over-production of growth hormone.As a result I personally found the 30 second ‘highlights’ we got on the Beeb last night a rather repulsive snippet from what the Victorians would have termed a ‘freak show’
Physically Valuev will be anything but the tough and strong man his appearance suggests. Heart problems, circulatory problems, high blood pressure and diabetes are but four of the complications associated with the disease that he will either have now or will develop in the near future before a likely early death
Other than as a source of filthy lucre, the boxing ring is the last place he should be
Someone that size was always going to tire very quickly; surely Haye only needed to skip round him for a few rounds. Haye seemed a thoroughly likeable bloke and I’m really pleased for him. Agree that it was more like a freak shown than a boxing match, though.
Correct and just result, even though I had backed Valuev: pinning my tenuous hopes mainly on previous unjust verdicts which have gone the giant Russian’s way.
The ironic thing is that Haye was the one who had shown stamina limitations beforehand and not Valuev, who actually is credited with have loads of the stuff.
Valuev’s parents are both small, but his grandfather was a big guy – so genetics could have played a part, but I tend to agree with the theory that he has a hormonal condition.
Another thing which is probably even more ironic is, that appearances can be deceptive. Valuev is a clever and studious man outside the ring. I’m not sure if David Haye has read many classic novels or can recite and write poetry – but the big "glaikit" looking Russian has !
That aside, well done David Haye – good performance and well deserved. Tactics spot on.
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I can’t agree that, as a sizeable chap, Valuev was almost certain to have his stamina stretched by Haye. It was widely held that, as an out-and-out puncher and suspect twelve-rounder himself, Haye would attempt to finish the fight well inside the distance. On that basis alone the Russian seemed content to take his time and plot his way through the bout, with him having fought to the final bell on a number of occasions previously.
As it turned out, Valuev proved himself to be completely one-dimensional. He always has been and always will be, and only the physical difference between the defending champion and Haye masked the gulf in actual talent. In reality it was never likely to be a fight that Haye would struggle to win given his relative speed, superb physique and immense punching power. Valuev, for all that he is monsterous, doesn’t hit particularly hard and showed obvious frailties against Holyfield – had he lost that particular fight, as he should have, he’d have been a massive underdog yesterday – Chagaev, Ruiz and even Monte Barrett (who, of course, was absolutely destroyed by Haye).
I was surprised – pleasantly so, I must admit – how Haye approached the fight, letting Valuev come to him, picking his shots and making full use of the obvious advantages he had. The Russian’s vulnerability in the closing stages showed what Haye could have done to him had he put his foot down earlier, but given the injury he sustained to his right hand in the second round he boxed flawlessly. He is by far and away the best fighter Valuev has faced (Holyfield was 46 when the pair met in December and, whilst probably more naturally gifted than Haye, is by no means the man he once was) and his ability to adapt marks him out as the best heavyweight around. For me at least.
John Ruiz isn’t going to present any sort of test for Haye on yesterday’s performance, so it’s not beyond reason that he’s already looking past him to either of the Klitschko brothers. They’ll certainly make Haye work, far more so than he’s been asked to thus far in his heavyweight career, but I don’t know that they have the tools to cope with Britain’s new hero.
Haye could be ruling the roost for quite some time.
Especially with Haye being on the Paul O’Grady show last week….
Oh come on, someone make a joke about the ring!
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Vitali Klitschko has the power and reach to stand toe-to-toe with David Haye, but he’s nine years older and, despite looking the likely winner when unfortunate to succumb to Lennox Lewis, couldn’t drop Danny Williams in less than eight rounds. I think people underestimate just how hard Haye punches and with Vitali prone to being cut any fight between them could be alarmingly short.
Wladimir would appear to pose the greater threat, having improved significantly since his most recent loss in 2003, but I would imagine that a meeting with Vitali would be preferable at this stage (once Ruiz has been dealt with of course). The full unification fight would then be scheduled for mid-2011.
Vitali Klitschko has the power and reach to stand toe-to-toe with David Haye, but he’s nine years older and, despite looking the likely winner when unfortunate to succumb to Lennox Lewis, couldn’t drop Danny Williams in less than eight rounds. I think people underestimate just how hard Haye punches and with Vitali prone to being cut any fight between them could be alarmingly short.
Wladimir would appear to pose the greater threat, having improved significantly since his most recent loss in 2003, but I would imagine that a meeting with Vitali would be preferable at this stage (once Ruiz has been dealt with of course). The full unification fight would then be scheduled for mid-2011.
Vladamir has a weak chin. At some point during their fight Haye would catch him and thats it then, all over.
I am amazed David Hayes hand was hurt. Granted Valuev`s head was like a rock ,when, in the early rounds is he supposed to have hit him that hard?. I have rewatched it now several times and cannot locate anything that resembles a hand damaging punch.
Generally it was a very poor fight . Delighted for Hayes to get the title but fear it will be shortlived.
Valuev seems the real Gent not Hayes. It would have endeared Hayes to me a lot more if he had been a bit more gracious to Valuev after the fight to espouse all the nonsense he said before.
Valuev retained his dignity in all his statements.Can`t see Hayes beating the Klitchkos.
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You can write a car off at 30mph, Roddy, just as you can at 60mph, so I wouldn’t spend too much time looking for a thunderous shot that might conceivably have led to Haye’s detailed injury. The hand is a fragile thing.
As for his reign being short-lived, I can’t see it myself. Neither Vitali nor Wladimir Klitschko are without their weaknesses – the former is prone to cuts and the latter has, as Ian says, a glass chin – and both have been fortunate to sit atop an undeniably appalling heavyweight division. Haye is a different proposition altogether and unlike any fighter either of the Ukrainians have faced, blending speed, stamina, power and, as he proved on Saturday, flexibility.
Haye’s the real deal in an industry devoid of true class.
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