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  • #26333
    darren83
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    DUE DILIGENCE 6/1 is y bet here Newmarket will suit horse better if he gets a more postive ride i could see him holding the closers i do.

    #483720
    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Noozhoh Canarias is entered and will be interesting if he can repeat some his fractions from the 2000 Guineas.

    #484414
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    Four syllables.

    AL

    JAM

    AA

    HEER

    Mows down Slade Power to win by a neck.

    #484431
    Avatar photostevecaution
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    "Slade Takes No Prisoners"

    I can imagine the above making the headlines in the aftermath of the July Cup.

    Slade Power has been good to me from a punting perspective and probably still lies slightly in the shadow of stable companion Sole Power, who is a rare sprinter with a finishing burst.

    I thought Slade Power broke well and travelled like the winner throughout the race at Royal Ascot and there is just a doubt for me whether Aljamaaheer is really a sprinter and I think a seventh furlong would be heaven for him.

    Due Diligence is respected but he’s not battle hardened the way Slade Power is.

    "Opposition Slayed"

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #484479
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    Diligence Duly Delivers?

    Obviously Noozooh Canarias is the interesting one, will bowl along and lead the field on a merry dance for quite a while I can imagine. This is how I can see it all falling apart around Aljamaaheer late on.

    The other interesting one is Undrafted from the States, I hear that he’s well regarding over the pond but I can’t really get a gage on the form.

    Of course, the July Course is as far away as you can get from the flat tracks in America.

    Tricky.

    #485022
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    I’ve been watching

    Gregorian

    for sometime now and although he seems a 7f specialist on paper,I like his style of running and his willingness.I believe if he got soft ground he’d be a major player in the July Cup.I have been nibbling at the 34’s on the machine and even 25/1 on the High St looks generous to me,if of course he turns up.

    #485193
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    TAPK is getting that feeling about

    Gregorian

    winning the July Cup,the rains come and that will help this 7f horse maintain a position throughout before using his stamina to get home,fast ground would have seen him outpaced and a place would have been my only hope but there’s no way the ground will be that now.I can see a couple dropping out too.Yesterday my fellow drifted to 33/1 across the board and 70’s on the machine,thats enough to panic most! 8)

    #485196
    Avatar photoiamthebigman
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    Cougar Mountain anyone?

    #485197
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    Just remember

    Gregorian

    33/1 has beaten the 6/1 shot

    Aljamaheer

    easily in the past on soft ground.I can see my fellow going off less than half those odds tomorrow.Would I cash out now for a guaranteed profit now then?? Nope,not when TAPK gets that special feelin he gets now and again.Remember my

    Fleeting Spirit

    wagers for this at 42’s down? I bottled out slightly didn’t I? :oops:

    #485261
    Avatar photoJJMSports
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    Slade Power wins.

    #485269
    Avatar photothehorsesmouth
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    "Slade Takes No Prisoners"

    I can imagine the above making the headlines in the aftermath of the July Cup.

    Slade Power has been good to me from a punting perspective and probably still lies slightly in the shadow of stable companion Sole Power, who is a rare sprinter with a finishing burst.

    I thought Slade Power broke well and travelled like the winner throughout the race at Royal Ascot and there is just a doubt for me whether Aljamaaheer is really a sprinter and I think a seventh furlong would be heaven for him.

    Due Diligence is respected but he’s not battle hardened the way Slade Power is.

    "Opposition Slayed"

    Agree completely. He looks to have improved from last season, his win at the Curragh was exceptional. Whatever way the ground is won’t bother him and being drawn near the Spanish contender should give him plenty of speed to run at. It almost looks too simple :shock:

    #485377
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    Sole Power, Due Diligence and Fountain Of Youth all NRs now.

    I have just noticed that Undrafted is owned by Denver Broncos and ex New England Patriots legendary wide receiver Wes Welker. I don’t really fancy that horse though, so perhaps Wes will be feeling a

    touch down

    after the race :roll:

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #485380
    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Slade Power himself flew out of the stalls and gotvery near to the front from the outset at Royal Ascot. Luckily, he had the class to get away with being ridden poorly on that ground.

    I have my doubts about whether he can get away with similar ‘tactics’ with today’s conditions.

    #485386
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    "Slade Takes No Prisoners"

    I can imagine the above making the headlines in the aftermath of the July Cup.

    Slade Power has been good to me from a punting perspective and probably still lies slightly in the shadow of stable companion Sole Power, who is a rare sprinter with a finishing burst.

    I thought Slade Power broke well and travelled like the winner throughout the race at Royal Ascot and there is just a doubt for me whether Aljamaaheer is really a sprinter and I think a seventh furlong would be heaven for him.

    Due Diligence is respected but he’s not battle hardened the way Slade Power is.

    "Opposition Slayed"

    Touch of class, although how Tropics got so close is a mystery. No doubt Tropics will get clobbered by the handicapper and probably never run near the mark again.

    Brightened up an otherwise crap day for me on the punting front.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #485465
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    Roger Varian seemed anxious regarding Aljamaaheer and the way he was moving to post, even asking Clare Balding if he looked OK. They have mentioned that they have been trying to switch him from being relaxed in his races to a more "getting on with it" style of racing. That certainly seemed the case yesterday as he was keen enough and closer up than he usually is.

    This demonstrated the problem you have when trying to make a horse into a sprinter when he has been used to racing over further. The energy expended in being up with the pace clearly emptied the tank and this horse, who is normally a good finisher, weakened in the closing stages.

    A big question about where to go with Aljamaaheer now in my mind.

    Hot Streak is probably better at 5f but even allowing for that he was disappointing. The Kings Stand form hasn’t been working out and Hot Streak’s promising seasonal debut seems a distant memory. Kevin Ryan had labelled him "The best I have trained" and I think it makes you realise why so many big name trainers are reluctant to put that moniker on any of their stable stars. Egg/Face collision avoided

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #485475
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
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    I think Aljamaaheer should be aimed at the Hungerford, 7 furlongs could be right up his street. When held up in the sprints he is left with too much to do considering he doesn’t have a turn of foot equal to the top ones and when up with the pace he burns himself out. I think a fast run 7 will allow him to be switched off at the back but still have enough time to get there and thereabouts late on. Perhaps even the Foret on Arc day could be a target?

    It wasn’t a total disaster, Aljamaaheer was my only bet as I thought Slade Power would win but wasn’t confident enough to get on at 7/4, and I struggled to find an alternative.

    What do you do with Noozoh Canarias? I wouldn’t rule out seeing him in the Nunthorpe, I’m sure the trainer is already working back from the Abbaye.

    I was impressed with Undrafted considering the July Course is about as much different from US tracks as you can get. I would love for the horse to stick around for The Sprint Cup as he could be a force to be reckoned with on a course like Haydock, but alas I doubt it will happen.

    I always heard Cougar Mountain was a very fast horse and I already think a drop to 5 will see him to best effect. But anything he does this year is just readying him for a reckless 4 year old campaign I’m sure.

    Tropics? His run didn’t surprise me at all. In the past few years there hasn’t been a big gap between the top sprinting handicapers and the group horses. Let us not forget that he won a 20 runner handicap at York of 9st 10ib last July and nabbed a Listed win AT Newmarket and a Group 3 at Ascot, the later victory taking his rating to a lofty 116, which is good enough to be competitive in most July Cups. For whatever reason he just wasn’t with it in his runs previously this season. They weren’t poor though. Take out his run in the Duke of York, when he lost all chance at the start, then he was defeated by 4 lengths in a Newmarket Group 3 and 7 lengths in the Diamond Jubilee (I think the ground got him well beaten at Doncaster back in March). I would also note that in his last 3 runs he was always held up and couldn’t get going late on. Yesterday, he was ‘close up’ and managed to find his old sparkle. He was a force to be reckoned with last season and I am sure that his big run was not too much of a surprise to connections.

    Finally, as for Slade Power? Well considering he managed to win a July Cup despite sweating buckets, he is clearly the best 6 furlong sprinter in Europe and I would expect him to confirm that at Haydock no matter who turns up. Whether he can do it in Melbourne I doubt. He will be racing against the best sprinters in the world in their back yard first time up with no prep. Let’s not forget how badly he ran in Hong Kong. I would run at Ascot on champions day instead and call it a day after that. Obviously, the millions of Aussie Dollars will be too much for the Powers in the grim end.

    #485480
    moehat
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    Was Tropics wearing a first time hood?

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