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- June 24, 2019 at 20:47 #1446930
Cape of Good Hope? Mohawk? Clutching at straws obviously!
Very much so haha. Mohawk has disappointed me since his decent start at Chester. COGH wouldn’t have a hope!
Hermosa perhaps is a possible, he keeps mentioning how he has the option of stepping her up in trip.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!June 24, 2019 at 21:01 #1446933Don’t think circus maximus would have a hope in hell either way in this
Just don’t think hes that good
June 24, 2019 at 21:40 #1446937Suppose he might improve a bit stepped back up in trip, but at the moment Circus Maximus is a Group 1 winner without being Group 1 class. Lucky to win the St James’s Palace.
Value Is EverythingJune 24, 2019 at 21:51 #1446938How about Hunting Horn? Pretty decent effort in the POW?
June 24, 2019 at 21:53 #1446939Agree on Circus Maximus, I wouldn’t be overly concerned about him
June 24, 2019 at 22:31 #1446942How about Hunting Horn? Pretty decent effort in the POW?
Miles off it?
Would need to be a pretty big shock result for him to feature.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!June 24, 2019 at 22:40 #1446943Hunting Horn ran well – for him – in the POW, Frenchy; but tbh that’s not saying much. 6 1/2 lengths behind Crystal Ocean; 5 1/4 behind Magical. Simply is not good enough unless every runner ignores the pacemaker. Personally wouldn’t back him @ 100/1.
Value Is EverythingJune 24, 2019 at 22:43 #1446946So you’d back him at 101/1 then ginger.
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June 24, 2019 at 22:47 #1446947No, Nathan.
Value Is EverythingJune 24, 2019 at 23:07 #1446949I’d say there is a significant gap between magical and his second best option
June 25, 2019 at 06:56 #1446956I’m not saying these horses would win but if Magical is injured and the others need a break from Epsom/RA or are running in the Irish Derby then surely it’s unthinkable AOB would run nothing? The way the race looks likely to cut up, if Enable doesn’t make it, it’s possible RegalReality could go off favourite! In that case some of the AOB also rans would have a chance at least.
June 25, 2019 at 09:20 #1446958I would say Frenchy is Enable doesn’t make it something nearer the front of the market will be drafted in and also Coolmore would throw something at the race from their 3yo brigade like Hermosa, it would be daft not to.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!June 25, 2019 at 13:44 #1446973As always, ante-post betting is about getting a run for your money. This is a difficult market to judge whether each horse is value or not. Albeit we know Sea Of Class probably won’t run, so backing her is a no no. 3/1 May turn out to be very big for Enable come race day. Hasn’t run yet this season, but vibes are certainly much better than previously. 3/1 Would be good value if (but only IF) Crystal Ocean and Magical don’t turn up. But – at this stage – that’t’s what I’d be betting on by taking that price. Then again 5/1 or 7/1 would be good prices for Crystal Ocean and Magiical if they turn up; but that looks a big IF at this stage… Indeed, imo prices for all the rest of this field won’t be as big as it would be in a normal ante-post race – because there’s so much doubt about the top of the market. Too much doubt for me to get involved at this stage.
Value Is EverythingJune 27, 2019 at 11:59 #1447056With Sea Of Class, Crystal Ocean and Magical all lengthening in the market… And the three around them, Enable, Circus Maximus and Regal Reality shortening… imo Probability of SOC, CO and M being absent is sky high; making Enable @ 5/2 now worth taking.
Value Is EverythingJune 27, 2019 at 12:16 #1447059Can see her being 6/4 at the highest on the day myself
June 27, 2019 at 20:40 #1447070Agreed. I expect we’ll be out to get her at that kind of price on the day, but in the meantime plenty of scope to beat SP.
Some chopper on the RUK website did a preview of the Coral-Eclipse and made the point that Stoute regularly does run horses in all three of the Prince of Wales, Coral-Eclipse AND King George…although I wonder if perhaps the 2019 situation is a little different with Crystal Ocean. I doubt many of the previous Stoute runners competed on soft ground at Royal Ascot.
AOB & co still not decided on Circus Maximus plans by the sound of it, although I would guess that he’d rock up here. A Coral-Eclipse is worth a bit more for a stallion’s CV than a Sussex Stakes I’d say.
June 28, 2019 at 00:51 #1447092I think you’ve made an excellent point regarding soft ground and Crystal Ocean, LS. Soft ground – particularly a truly run race on soft ground – usually takes longer to recover from than good or good-firm (something also against Magical’s participation). But added to that… Crystal Ocean stays a lot further and therefore particularly suited by a test of stamina at 1m2f (a truly run race on soft going) rather than a test of speed at the trip (slowly run and/or on good-firm). So there’s a fairly big chance he won’t be as effective in an Eclipse… Which all means Crystal Ocean is less likely to run at Sandown than previous Stoute Prince Of Wales winners/runners. Makes sense to go straight to the King George.
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