The home of intelligent horse racing discussion
The home of intelligent horse racing discussion

Eclipse 2018

Home Forums Big Races – Discussion Eclipse 2018

Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 67 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1354060
    darren83
    Participant
    • Total Posts 8435

    ROSTROPOVICH 33/1

    Espom derby be key race because if Saxon Warrior gets beat i expect him to contest big 1m2 races and i got him at 14/1 to win Juddmonte thing is after did bet 30mins later AOB come out say train him for triple crown so not good that.

    There no doubt form of Chester might not be the best by my bet here but more the way he done it left a mark on me he loved the good ground which he needs if soft ground got no chance but on fast ground he will run well in french derby.And after that i feel he a improving colt could come here after race in France.

    #1354083
    Avatar photoVoleur
    Participant
    • Total Posts 656

    That’s a good spot Darren, I’m going to follow you in. Like you I think good ground will be the making of this horse, and I’m expecting a big run from him in the Jockey Club.

    #1358698
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    If Poets Word goes for this I’d expect him to start favourite over the Derby 1-3 Masar and Roaring Lion; but is the Stoute horse going to Sandown? :unsure:

    Value Is Everything
    #1358699
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34718

    If he were mine, he’d be going, all depending on how well he is of course.
    strike whilst the iron is hot

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #1358710
    Avatar photoKevMc
    Participant
    • Total Posts 1326

    20 day break roughly seems fine enough aswell although it was a career best effort last week so could be tired.

    Surely he PW him and Crystal Ocean up and CO goes KG so this is really the only logical race for him until the Juddmonte in August.

    #1358773
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
    Participant
    • Total Posts 2031

    Rostropovich is going to run in the Irish Derby by the looks of things.

    #1358795
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34718

    Bruce Raymond playing down the chances of Poets World running saying Stoute has Crystal Ocean and more likely the target to be the Juddmonte International for PW

    http://www.attheraces.com/news/2018/June/28/juddmonte-international-a-%E2%80%98good-race%E2%80%99-for-cracksman-conqueror-poet%E2%80%99s-word

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #1358825
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    That comment on Crystal Ocean is talking abouut the King George, Nathan. Yes, Bruce did say the International is the probable/main target, but said it was up to Sir Michael if Poets Word runs between now and then. I take that as meaning the horse will go for the Eclipse only if they think he’s over the Ascot run. Which is fair enough.

    Value Is Everything
    #1358826
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34718

    Thanks Ginge
    That makes sense, I did think it strange dropping Crystal Ocean in trip

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #1359246
    Avatar photoMarkTT
    Participant
    • Total Posts 3080

    I hope Gustav Klimt stays in as this step up in trip is overdue. Didn’t run during the second half of the season at 2 and I think he could be very progressive from here on.

    #1359289
    Avatar photoCharlesOlney
    Participant
    • Total Posts 2031

    Like you Mark I was hoping that Gustav would take part in this as I think he’s worth a crack at 10 furlongs but alas from what I gather it’s the Sussex next and I’d imagine he’ll stay at that distance for the remainder of the season now that Saxon Warrior looks set to contest all the upcoming Group 1’s at that distance.

    This really is now just a 2 runner race.

    Masar v Roaring Lion IV

    #1359294
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    Unless it cuts up even more Masar looks very short @ 11/8.
    Laid some 2.24.

    Value Is Everything
    #1359330
    Avatar photoraymo61
    Participant
    • Total Posts 6940

    I don’t necessarily think it can win but have backed HAWKBILL at 16/1 3 places cos this could seriously cut up and end up with about five or six runners and if they go back to front running with this it could surprise a few.

    #1359335
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    I agree 16/1 Hawkbill is value if he himself turns up. Got in a pace battle with Eminent last time out and taken on for the lead at Epsom too. Depends if Coolmore put in a pacemaker (Yucatan/Rostropovich?) but isn’t one to write off dictating pace on firmish ground. However, on Betfair Hawkbill is 33/1, with no money waiting to back him, so participation looks doubtful.

    Value Is Everything
    #1359384
    Nausered
    Blocked
    • Total Posts 585
    #1359413
    Avatar photoGingertipster
    Participant
    • Total Posts 34704

    Desperation from Coolmore. Not that surprising though, nobody else good enough to have a reasonable chance. Coolmore don’t like it up’em you know. Happily is yet to return to her two year old best – let alone improve on it. Cliffs Of Moher proven not up to this level, Rostropovich may have improved a little, but he too is yet to reach this level. Of the other fillies – Clemmie and September under clouds and Rhododendron diappointed at Ascot too. Forever Together is one positive but she needs 12f+/soft ground, Magic Wand might eventually be a Group 1 filly at around this trip too. Saxon Warrior is their best for 1m to 1m4f who might (only might) be able to improve a bit more. Needs to.

    Ballydoyle have probably realised he isn’t going to be a World beater, won’t beat a top form Cracksman or Enable, doubtful a Poets Word either. So if Saxon Warrior is to win an all age Group 1 it’s probably going to be one those three aren’t participating in. ie The Eclipse.

    Value Is Everything
    #1359418
    Avatar photobotchy1
    Participant
    • Total Posts 6563

    Ryan Moore is in the US on Saturday, so if he runs The Don will be back aboard you would think. :yes:

Viewing 17 posts - 1 through 17 (of 67 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.