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    mdwillis
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    Just look how are coolmore’s middle distance and stayers have done this year. The likes of Yeats, Septemus, Scorpion, Yellowstone, Mahler, Macarthur, Honolulu and Eagle Mountain all of them are potential jump stallions and it means that coolmore’s present and future NH Stallions are very strong. Looks like us jumping fans are going to be in for a treat and I am looking forward to seeing the sons and daugthers of the above appearing in bumpers in the next 6/7 years on either side of the irish sea. Of course not every coolmore will not make it to stud and the ones that dont I think should be gelded and sent over hurdles. Does anyone think that we will see either Honolulu, Acapulco or Mahler run in next years Triumph Hurdle? I personally think that Honolulu will run in the Triumph in the JP McManus colours and Jonjo O’Neill will train him. After all we have seen other ex-coolmore horses get sent to Jackdaws Castle. The likes of Mountain, Two Miles West and Mikado spring to mind. I would like to see middle-distance and staying horses at Ballydoyle who have no future at stud sent to Jackdaws Castle for jumps career. It might take a few years to bear fruit but once ot does things will start to take off.

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    nore
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    It sometimes strikes me that some of Coolmore’s Jumps sires are among the best value out there. Why are so few Old Vics and Oscars campaigned under Flat rules (they have plenty of class about them)? And Westerner as a Jumps sire? In previous eras and, even at another stud nowadays, he would be a prize asset given his achievments and pedigree. It’s getting to the point that they have too many well-bred horses to choose from in selecting stallions to stand.

    And what about Galileo’s full-brother Black Sam Bellamy who stood in Germany in 2007 at a fee of 6,000 euros? Surely he wont be so cheap in 2008. It also cant be too much of a long-shot that Coolmore will buy him back.

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    Venusian
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    Yes, it’s almost as though breeders believe that once a horse is retired to stud as a "NH stallion", then the horse’s genetic make-up will somehow change to reflect the market that’s being aimed at!

    Some of the horses mentioned could make very successful flat sires, if only breeders would give them a chance.

    Even since the war, never mind before, there have been many successful stallions who today would be consigned to the jump sires roster, eg. Tenerani (sire of Ribot), Wild Risk and Alycidon.

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    Avatar photoAndyRAC
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    Most of the ex Coolmore horses sent to Jonjo’s have hardly set the World alight, I must admit I was slightly disappointed with Mountain, as I thought he might be a cut above.
    Regarding the NH Stallions, remember Alderbrook, Gp2 winner, Gp1 placed at 1m2f, yet as he won the Champion Hurdle he is promoted as a NH sire ( his sire was Ardross, I think). Just can’t make the breeding industry out, he obviously has speed, as well as stamina. Wouldn’t a sprinting mare produce a decent horse with both speed and stamina??

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    Any flat horse with "stamina" in its profile and by that I mean 1m6f and above may as well have 3 legs as far as its potential stallion fees goes.

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    TheCheekster
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    Wouldn’t a sprinting mare produce a decent horse with both speed and stamina??

    It doesn’t really work like that, you’re more likely to get something that is slow and doesn’t stay. You’re best to stay within the mares comfort range, and choose a stallion to compliment that.
    Personally, think a lot of the Coolmore bunch are ugly. All top and no bone.

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