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Lolly’s Mate
This is just becoming tedious now.
If, by refuting the nonsense you peddle, I wind you up, well thats your problem.
Obviously you are a minority since there is only one of you. I am a minority too. If you mean, you are a member of a minority, to my mind it doesn’t matter whether you are or not. You are a human being and entitled to as much respect as the next person.
Answer me this, if it is so hard for white people to get employment with the metropolitan police force, why are the overwhelming majority of policemen white? This is something we can see with our own eyes.
The headmaster of the local school who has no control over his pupils? There is no reason on earth why he should have no control over Somalian pupils. I would agree with you that discipline in schools is breaking down, but that is across the board. Being Somalian makes no difference whatsoever. If he has no control over his pupils, perhaps the school needs a new headmaster.
In order to prove your point that Harrow is a racial battleground and white people are persecuted, you have, to date, cited the building of a Hindu temple, an incident at a local school involving your wife and a whole lot of second hand rumour.
Let me ask you some very simple questions.
You stated that the Hindu temple and the Hindu school were not for locals.
Why do you not consider the local Hindu people who will attend both school and temple to be locals?
Why, when referring to Navin Shah do you make snide remarks about broken English?
Because his English is broken, why do you feel that he is less worthy of respect?
I asked you for specific proof that the planning department of your local council was acting against ‘whites’. You have not provided it. Because you can’t. Indeed, as you state, you are not able to show me any proof.
I asked you whether you were campaigning for the right to use racially abusive names whenever you liked. To date, you have not answered these question.
Lolly’s mate, if Harrow is such a hell-hole, if white people are being persecuted all the time, I would have thought you could provide me with first-hand information, things that have happened to you directly, every day. Instead, you direct me to speak to a bunch of people who agree with you. That is not an argument. I am talking to you not your friends. If you can’t muster an argument, if you are incapable of backing up what you say with evidence and if you are unable to answer my questions then we aren’t going to get very far, are we.
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(Edited by Aranalde at 8:18 am on June 16, 2005)
Dave
Tsuyoshi Yamada’s article was talking about some of the economic effects of immigration.
Your statement was that governments stop and start immigration and that there is only an economic aspect to immigration.
I can see nothing in the article that supports your proposal. Perhaps you would point to the paragraph which supports your contention that governments can start and stop immigration and that there are no other aspects to immigration beside the economic.
And while you’re at it, have a read of this
http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/pr-imearn.html
<br>I agree that understanding why things happen in the world can be boring. It can also be interesting. I think Grasshopper may have been referring to the fact that our particular circular argument is becoming tedious. Which it is.
(Edited by Aranalde at 8:15 am on June 16, 2005)
Lolly’s Mate
Having just re-read our various posts, it struck me that there was too much vitriol in some of my remarks.
Whilst I don’t retract my opinion and remain in profound disagreement with your view of Britain, I can’t deny that I have not shown you or your views the same respect that we are all entitled to.
I am also concious of the fact that I am a newcomer here and that this is, primarily, a racing forum, an interest which we presumably have in common.
Therefore I would like to apologise, not for the opinions I have expressed, but for the way that I have expressed them and for any offence that I have caused.
And I would hope that, wherever you and your family eventually settle, you find what you are looking for.
Dave
I think its clear we have opposing views on the link between the economy and immigration. I also think its clear that our argument is not really going anywhere.
I respect your strong opinions on the subject and the knowledge of the subject you have demonstrated. Although I did post a link to an economics article earlier today, I will not be posting any further links and I think, in all honesty, other people here will be relieved at that.
As I said to Lolly’s Mate, I am a newcomer here and am not looking to make enemies. Presumably, we share a mutual interest in racing. These debates have been interesting, but I think probably enough is enough. Neither of us is going to persuade the other.
And I extend the same apology to you as to Lolly’s Mate, if I have caused offence in the way I have expressed myself, then I apologise.
Aranalde
Don’t worry.
We’re an opinionated bunch here and you’re a welcome addition.
Among the regulars, we’ve got a broad range of (often conflicting) views on the world, but we manage to debate most things passionately without the toys being thrown out the pram too often.
(though that happens occasionally and mine have gone flying once or twice)
Immigration and race are touchy subjects, but I think it’s been discussed honestly, openly and sensibly here.
You’ll find many of those on different sides here will be on the same side on some other issue sometime soon (and vice versa).
It’s that type of group and that’s what makes it a good place to bring up this sort of issue.
Steve
Don’t listen to Stavros, Grasshopper, Ian Davies, Dave Jay…. we’re all full of s**t
e.Thanks for the comments
I agree this does seem to be unlike every other forum I’ve seen in terms of healthy debate without the abuse.
By the way, who is Stavros?
It can get a bit fruity down here in the basement. Especially late at night.
I think it’s because (apart from a few reprobates who actually make their homes here) most of us drift down here when bored/drunk/lonely having found little nourishment upstairs in the racing areas.
I’ve purposely avoided this thread since it was hi-jacked to peddle dodgy agendas and numbskull hatred.
Hats off to Aranalde though for jumping into the fray so gently and eloquently.
It’s usually just ribbing and bluster though – no harm done. The only time I really get to worry down here is when I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Ian. Then it’s usually time to cork the bottle!<br>
Aranalde.
Come back here and fight like a man!
Only joking. Good debate, and I think we will agree to disagree.
Are you sure your a newcomer?
This is nice isn’t it.
Lolly has got big problems about this god forsaken place they call Harrow.
I am out spoken and say it exactly as I see it. I dont do this political correct thing. If I dont like it, it gets said.
I did however enjoy this particuler thread and thought it livened the place up a bit.
I dont hold grudges, do I Non Vintage :angry: and I look forward to being called many more things.
P.S.<br> Does anyone want to buy a 4 bed bungalow in a very nice part of N.W. London.
<br> Hugs and kisses to you all.XXX
Hugs and kisses to you all.XXX
Group hug!
Man, this outbreak of niceness makes me want to puke.
:biggrin:
Quick! Someone start a new thread we can argue over.
Where’s Kotkijet when you need him?
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 8:33 pm on June 16, 2005)
Good evening all
I’m afraid that while peace may have broken out on this Forum, I found myself involved in an argument at work today, and as the subject was close to the original title of this thread, I thought I’d mention it.
I currently work in Birmingham. Someone mentioned during one of those long dull mid-afternoons that characterise office life that Birmingham is now known as ‘The Venice of England’. This, obviously caused me to chuckle loudly. Cue much Brummie outrage.
Although I do feel a little sad that no-one has yet voted for Birmingham, I can’t really bring myself to do it.
Is there anyone here who has been to both Venice and Birmingham who could verify the outlandish claims of the Birmingham Tourist Board (motto: ‘Yow ay frum rowernd ere, am ya?’) and thus enable me to vote for my adopted city with a clear conscience
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I’m not offended Aranalde .. there’s no need to apologise. Anyone who gets offended shouldn’t really post on forums or try and wind other folk up because they always end up in tears. Things can get a bit rough and frustrating, but with all credit to yourself you haven’t run off and hid .. like some of the others on here, who find their sensibilities offended when they read things that they don’t like.
While we’re on the subject of bigotry .. my brother was unforunate enough to marry an Irish Catholic  .. who hates the English and Protestants. She’s a real bag of twisted horrible hatred, one of the worst I’ve ever met. And I’ve met more than my fair share of bigots living in Prestwick. But it doesn’t mean that all Irish / Catholics are the same. I think people have to realise generally that persons in minority groups can be as bigotted and racist as anyone else, it’s not the preserve of the majority.
The link you post up relates to the migration of skilled labour during the 70’s and 80’s (the brian drain) .. not waitresses and cleaners .. :biggrin:
To all the rest of you who have tried to mortally offend me with your cruel remarks. You who I thought were my friends .. How could you ?? I’m going to go away now and try and remind myself why I am so Special and try and deal with my innermost feelings of utter dejection .. ya bunch a fannies!
I’m not sure how pedantic it is possible to be about accents but here goes
‘Yow ay frum rowernd ere, am ya?’
Sorry for also being pedantic, but earlier in the thread you picked up someone up for confusing the Birmingham and Black Country (Dudley) accent, but unfortunately seem to have fallen foul of exactly the same yourself there.<br>Keith
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(Edited by Alchemist at 12:18 am on June 17, 2005)
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