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On a strict time comparison, I have him 11lb lower than Silviniaco Conti and finishing fifth in the King George, ahead of Cue Card.
14/1 for the RSA Chase seems generous to me.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"You’d imagine if he lines up (as is surely probable) he’d definitely start a single figure price.
I agree big style. Swap the winners result today with Nicholls’ falling jolly, and the Nicholls inmate would be something like 6-4 for the RSA I’d think.
Some jumping at pace for a novice that. SC apart best round of jumping fences I saw today.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened had he been taken on for the lead a bit longer. I suspect he is 14/1 because the chances of soft ground are limited.
Coneygree jumped some really well but looked distinctly dodgy at some others. I think I’d be a layer at the festival, based on his jumping.
If it came up soft it would take a good one to beat him in March.
Also though I think it could be too quick for him sadly.Which fences did he look ‘dodgy’ at, Joe? I thought he fiddled cleverly at one fence and was absolutely perfect elsewhere. It was the best round of jumping by a novice at Kempton since Gloria Victis imo, absolutely exhilarating and superb in every way.
I’d love to see him try to emulate that ill-fated chaser in the old Racing Post Chase. It’s perfect for him with ground likely to suit. Another good thing about Coneygree is that he seems unfazed by being taken-on, unlike his brother Carruthers. I hope he goes on to win some big prizes.
Best way to get it’s price down to a more realistic one, is to lump on if you think it’s much too big.
Not sure how brave steeplechasing is laying 14/1 shots
Was just thinknig that – can I have some 16/1 then, please, Mr Steeplechasing?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Only problem with the 14/1 the RSA now is he might go for the Gold Cup instead.
Kings Palace and the rest wouldnt see which way Coneygree went in the RSA.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I think he might get picked up in the GC after jumping the last. Newbury is a flat and galloping track with no such tight turns as Cheltenham. Plus the extra two and a half furlongs, more experienced opposition and the fact that he might not be able to dominate from the front will make him very vulnerable.
The RSA seems the only logical choice to me. By the way I don’t have any ante post bets on either race. So this is no pocket talk at all.
But nevertheless he is a very exciting young horseI think he might get picked up in the GC after jumping the last. Newbury is a flat and galloping track with no such tight turns as Cheltenham. Plus the extra two and a half furlongs, more experienced opposition and the fact that he might not be able to dominate from the front will make him very vulnerable.
The RSA seems the only logical choice to me. By the way I don’t have any ante post bets on either race. So this is no pocket talk at all.
But nevertheless he is a very exciting young horseI don’t think he beat much today. The fact that he went off so short said all we needed to know about the confidence behind the opposition. There were a few disappointing rivals in there and I feel 8/1 for The Gold Cup is ridiculous and it may be a mistake taking him there this year.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think that Houblon des Obeaux is a solid yardstick and so is Unioniste. But I would rate them both at least 25-1 or even 33-1 chances for the GC. If I would have to rate Coneygree’s performance today I would give him something around 165. But the rating would be based a lot on the track which is a easier one than Cheltenham. Though his jumping today was quite impressive. But as mentioned in my previous post, things won’t go his way at Cheltenham and his jumping will be a lot more under pressure on faster ground and in a bigger field.
Hard to get a handle on how good he is. Clearly progressive and dangerous to underestimate I’d say. But I think you are all right, a Gold Cup would be a very different proposition to today’s test.
You have to rate him 168 after today and that rating wins an RSA all day long.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I think that Houblon des Obeaux is a solid yardstick and so is Unioniste. But I would rate them both at least 25-1 or even 33-1 chances for the GC. If I would have to rate Coneygree’s performance today I would give him something around 165. But the rating would be based a lot on the track which is a easier one than Cheltenham. Though his jumping today was quite impressive. But as mentioned in my previous post, things won’t go his way at Cheltenham and his jumping will be a lot more under pressure on faster ground and in a bigger field.
Houblon Des Obeaux is consistent enough and was probably the most reliable opponent Coneygree faced today. That said he’s hardly a world beater.
Watching Unioniste dropping away for a while today before making some very slow progress had me scouring around Oddschecker to see whether it was The Grand National or The Boat Race that Paul Nicholls had entered him in. Maybe that’s a bit harsh, but then again I’d probably fancy Oxford to give him weight and a start.
The name Coneygree means "rabbit warren" and I believe that anyone backing him for Gold Cup glory will be pulling their hare out come March
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I think that Houblon des Obeaux is a solid yardstick and so is Unioniste. But I would rate them both at least 25-1 or even 33-1 chances for the GC. If I would have to rate Coneygree’s performance today I would give him something around 165. But the rating would be based a lot on the track which is a easier one than Cheltenham. Though his jumping today was quite impressive. But as mentioned in my previous post, things won’t go his way at Cheltenham and his jumping will be a lot more under pressure on faster ground and in a bigger field.
Houblon Des Obeaux is an underestimated racehorse, however, I disagree about him being "a solid yardstick" Ruby. He was on his toes in the paddock and I personally don’t think it was soft enough for him today (below the Hennessey form). Doubt if Cheltenham is going to be that much firmer. Walking across the track and (inner) car park, it didn’t seem as soft as most days this season; and judging by Racing Post standard times – this and many others on the day suggest to me fast it was fast enough to call it good-soft. That said, still something special for a first season chaser. Got to be top rated for the RSA if going the novice route.
IMO Coneygree will have a better chance of getting his own way up front in the Gold Cup than the RSA imo. I’m on Kings Palace for the latter and hope the two don’t meet. Not only is Coneygree a rival on ability, way they race (out and out front runners) might scupper each other’s chances too. Where as I don’t see another that "has to lead" in the blue riband.
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