Close Brothers Novices 2019

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    Glen Forsa looks to deserve his place at the head of the market here, very nice performance at Kempton.

    It’s another who really interests me though, and it’s Cubomania. Already won at Cheltenham this season, and he’s on a perfect mark here.

    We’ve all heard it said that “if a horse was from a different yard, he’d be half the price”, well I think that if this Elliot horse was with Gigginstown, then he’d be half the price.

    Already a winner at the track this season, has the speed to have also won on the flat a couple of weeks before. Would have made the frame in The Drinmore as well, but for tipping up two out. That run was eyecatching, and his run last time, was “interesting” to say the least.

    Out in ten minutes at Fairyhouse, and a run into a place will see me put some more on, but for now, the 33’s is huge.

    One of my biggest fancies for The Festival.

    Cubomania 33’s Win

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    A most interesting ride last time right enough, Bobby. Looks a nice spot by you yet again. Any idea what the best NRNB price is before I go hunting?

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

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    20’s Joe with Skybet

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    Thanks, mate

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #1392349

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    Would Cubomania’s rating not be too high for this assuming 145 is still the ceiling? When he won at Cheltenham he was 143, so assume the English handicapper would have him up at +7 to 150. Monbeg Legend who he beat by close to 3 lengths has been dropped 2 lb to 145, so even on that form Cubomania would be 147/148 and that’s before today’s performance.

    I’m a Glen Forsa fan. Form is being franked left, right and centre. Will be interesting to see whether connections try and protect his mark for this or run him again.

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    I think he’ll be in the Plate. His rating, as BG suggests, will be too high for this

    #1392355

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    On the Racing Post website it states his OR as being 139 not 143.

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    Been looking for one for this race and followed you in @ 33’s VTC. Very nice price, thought it would of been half that :good:

    #1392371
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    I’m no doing anymore for now Botch.

    I didn’t get the run into a place that I was wanting yesterday, he just got beat. I was looking for a “ran into third” lol, and he’ll def go up for that FFS.

    I’ll bet him wherever he ends up though st Cheltenham, and Marks shout might be the one.

    Still declared to run today, so could do with him getting stuffed, and at Leapordstown next month lol

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    Every other site has Cubomania running off 134 at Cheltenham so probably a mistake in the RP.

    https://www.irishracing.com/horse?name=Cubomania&prt=545872

    https://www.skysports.com/racing/form-profiles/horse/938499/cubomania

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    Swingbridge ran at Ayr off 131 in November, then several days later off 124 in Ireland and his official rating is given as 123.

    I think the OR on the RP website is the Irish mark, not the British.

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    You are right Mark, he got a UK figure of 147 that day. Pretty certain like, that that will need to be revised, otherwise he will be in the 155 region which is bonkers.

    #1392386
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    Yes – they seem to have overrated him prior to that race, which wasn’t a handicap, and the RPR Of 147 suggests he ran to a mark in the low 140s at best, as the RPR for a good performance is almost always higher than the Official Rating.

    The proximity of Monbeg Legend, 147, might be an issue for his British rating. That 147 was achieved after a few low grade wins during the summer – if Monbeg Legend ran in a winter handicap off that mark, he’d get absolutely stuffed.

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    I might have unintentionally confused matters. What does the Offical Rating on the Racing Post website for a horse trained in Ireland represent? the British Handicapper’s rating or the Irish Handicapper’s rating?

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    As I said above, I think it’s the Irish; Cubomania and other Irish horses aren’t listed on the BHA website so how would the RP know their official rating ?

    Also, by checking with other Irish trained horses as I did with Swingbridge, you can see the difference in ratings and that the OR reflects the Irish mark.

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