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The thing is, how do you know what Binocular will show up? Such a big guessing game, the bet for me is Rock on Ruby, with a saver on Binocular/Rock on Ruby forecast.
The thing is, how do you know what Binocular will show up? Such a big guessing game, the bet for me is Rock on Ruby, with a saver on Binocular/Rock on Ruby forecast.
I think his run in the Fighting Fifth was better than last years. So with the usual improvement…
You have to go back a full year to find a good Binny performance. And that isn’t as good as his Champion Hurdle winning form, which would win this. Doesn’t seem capable of that anymore. I’m not convinced his attitude is all it should be. One to take on at a skinny price, but what with?
Think Rock On Ruby is a genuine Champion Hurdle candidate. Whether he’d have the neccesary speed for this is questionable, although Overturn is bound to make it a test.
Overturn still seems under-rated by the racing public. As long as it is not soft/heavy and hasn’t had too many races, I think he should take some beating. At this stage I’m favouring an overturn of last year’s form.
Value Is EverythingA year ago Overturn OR 159: Binocular 171
Now: Overturn 166: Binocular 164
Although Brampour’s daft mark post-Bula shows the handicapper can get things badly wrong, I’ve no doubt that he’s about right with these two though the McCain horse throws in the odd bad one when he’s had too much racing and he might well be close to that limit now.
Overturn’s record around sharp 2m tracks (e.g.Hereford, Aintree, Haydock, Wincanton, Kempton, Perth) 442251
Binocular’s 1131
Go figure how much ratings will be the deciding factor in this result.My comment was in response to HGM’s post. As mentioned earlier in the thread, I fancy neither of them
Not convinced at all by Binocular recently and think Overturn will finish ahead of him again but R on R has to be the bet, impressive first time out and plenty more to come I fancy.
You have to go back a full year to find a good Binny performance. And that isn’t as good as his Champion Hurdle winning form, which would win this. Doesn’t seem capable of that anymore. I’m not convinced his attitude is all it should be. One to take on at a skinny price, but what with?
Think Rock On Ruby is a genuine Champion Hurdle candidate. Whether he’d have the neccesary speed for this is questionable, although Overturn is bound to make it a test.
Overturn still seems under-rated by the racing public. As long as it is not soft/heavy and hasn’t had too many races, I think he should take some beating. At this stage I’m favouring an overturn of last year’s form.
Quite frankly Ginger if Rock on Ruby doesn’t have the speed for this he wont be winning any Champion Hurdle. That’s taking it that all the main players turn up in March.
If anything is going to beat Hurricane Fly he would have to be a very adaptable horse with bags of toe a high cruising speed and most importantly the ability to change gear in an instant. Not some horse who needs a stiff undulating track with a hill to climb, who is dependant on stamina to bring out the best of him. That simply wouldn’t be enough because neither Hurricane Fly or Binocular at his best lack the requirements that it takes to knock a horse like that into the middle of next week. Plus if I have it right Grandouet may just be better than both of them.
It would be different if the 2 best hurdlers in training were stamina suspect but neither is. So if he is a Champion Hurdle contender with a chance of winning the big one he’s going to have to win hands down on Boxing day.
I am or at least was in agreement about Binny but a good contact has been telling me all week I am talking tripe and that he needed the race badly at Newcastle and will win. Now Nicky’s come out saying the same thing and is more definite than ever about his chances.
Mind you it won’t be the first time if he’s got it wrong and I am far from convinced but the thought of him hacking up at 2/1 when he should be 1/3 and me not backing him is too much for my brain to digest without talking to my heart and being told get stuck in.
My brain does tell me Nicky Henderson and staff are exaggerating just how well Binocular is and there’s more hope than certainty at Seven Barrows, that whatever’s been affecting his performances wont raise it’s ugly head again.
However it won’t be the first time I’ve lost a packet on a horse. So if they are wrong then who better to lose my balls on than my old fav?. So stuff it I’m giving him one more chance.
I simply can’t agree Overturn is underrated by anyone unless it’s me. He simply is not Champion Hurdle class. He doesn’t even come close IMO. Sure he’ll win trials when other horses are not in top shape but when push comes to shove and the chips are down he simply doesn’t have the class to compete.
I don’t wish to offend anyone but even to suggest he’s improved enough to succeed where his much more talented stable companion Peddlar’s Cross failed in the Champion Hurdle proper, is an indication one should seek help.
Binocular has a horse, who really is no more than a top class handicapper, to beat plus an above average horse just out of the novice stage.
He really should win with tons up his sleeve and make the handicapper who puts Overturn 2lbs ahead of him look very foolish.
Wouldn’t look half as foolish as me though if he hacked up and I hadn’t backed him.
I simply can’t agree Overturn is underrated by anyone unless it’s me. He simply is not Champion Hurdle class. He doesn’t even come close IMO. Sure he’ll win trials when other horses are not in top shape but when push comes to shove and the chips are down he simply doesn’t have the class to compete.
I don’t wish to offend anyone but even to suggest he’s improved enough to succeed where his much more talented stable companion Peddlar’s Cross failed in the Champion Hurdle proper, is an indication one should seek help.
Overturn does not need to be Champion Hurdle class to win this H. Binny hasn’t been as good since that Champion win as the handicapper’s ratings suggest. Overturn gave 4 lbs to Grandouet last time and only lost by 4 lengths. Improved since this race last year’s Christmas Hurdle and there’s no guarantee Binny will be as good. With the Henderson horse having 4 1/2 lengths to make up from Newcastle and a temperament question mark; I’d rather be on Overturn than Binny. Come to that, Rock On Ruby comes out better too.
Value Is EverythingGeezus stop bring Grandouet into Ginger he’d have beaten Overturn a mile had there been anything decent in the race.
You’d soon change your tune if you had been told Binny blew up at Newcastle, is working every bit as well as Grandouet and they can’t split them. He’s schooled brilliantly and he has a real spring in his step like he hasn’t had in a very long time..
I wasn’t told that if anyone asks but if I was I wouldn’t tell you
This is one very ordinary Champion Hurdle trial and Binocular will win it and you should know I never say things like that lightly.
Just back Binocular and stop your friggin moaning before you have a heart attack
Little enough fun around here without you croaking it The thing is, how do you know what Binocular will show up? Such a big guessing game, the bet for me is Rock on Ruby, with a saver on Binocular/Rock on Ruby forecast.
I think his run in the Fighting Fifth was better than last years. So with the usual improvement…
Could you tell Ginger that mark he’s doing my nut in
The problem with that Mark and H, is Nicky told everyone before Newcastle Binny was in good condition before this year’s Fighting Fifth.
Am not surprised he is going as well as Grandouet, travels well in his races too, just usually doesn’t find much these days off the bridle.
Of course I could be wrong.
Value Is EverythingI agree with the ratings – Overturn is a better horse than Binny now.
I think
Rock on Ruby
is the one that can do it at a nice(ish) price. Very impressive last time out and unexposed.
I can see McCain’s horse taking The Rock into the race and then him quickening away.
It’s those two for the R/FC – leave Binny out of it – he’ll chew your dosh up.
Zip
You can’t see didly. Your crystal ball must be made of opaque glass or it’s needing a good clean Zippy.
That’s not Binocular behind them, it’s the cloud of dust he left behind when he shot passed them
Great race.
Great attitude too from Binocular. He was being told to keep up to his work by McCoy from quite a way out, but he has stuck to the jockey’s urges really well.
Excellent performance from Rock on Ruby, lost nothing in defeat.
Very good performance in the saddle too, i still think there is a lot of room for improvement in Binocular, which is something McCoy has just re-affirmed on tv.
Great race.
Great attitude too from Binocular. He was being told to keep up to his work by McCoy from quite a way out, but he has stuck to the jockey’s urges really well.
Excellent performance from Rock on Ruby, lost nothing in defeat.
Very good performance in the saddle too, i still think there is a lot of room for improvement in Binocular, which is something McCoy has just re-affirmed on tv.
Rock on Ruby emerges as the best horse from the race. If he had jumped better, i think he would have won. Still an improving horse, i’d fancy him at the prices more than Binocular.
Binocular yet again fails to show his "supposed" level. He ran well, but he isn’t going to be winning a Champion Hurdle again in a hurry.
Either that Gareth or Rock On Ruby truly is Championship material.
Overturn was beaten a very long way so perhaps that was Binocular at very near his best.
Don’t forget he’s never been that happy at Kempton and Nicky has said more than once the course really doesn’t suit him.
That may come across as silly but it’s prize worth chasing and Nicky has always run his best horses there before Cheltenham even when it doesn’t suit them as he reckons it a great course to sharpen a horse up prior to the big one.
Really pleased to see him back and that should go along way to shutting up those who think he was a poor champion.
Great race.
Great attitude too from Binocular. He was being told to keep up to his work by McCoy from quite a way out, but he has stuck to the jockey’s urges really well.
Excellent performance from Rock on Ruby, lost nothing in defeat.
Very good performance in the saddle too, i still think there is a lot of room for improvement in Binocular, which is something McCoy has just re-affirmed on tv.
Rock on Ruby emerges as the best horse from the race. If he had jumped better, i think he would have won. Still an improving horse, i’d fancy him at the prices more than Binocular.
Binocular yet again fails to show his "supposed" level. He ran well, but he isn’t going to be winning a Champion Hurdle again in a hurry.
Don’t talk shyte mate he’s beaten Overturn twice as far as he did last year on a track that doesn’t really suit him. Rock on Ruby was the best horse in the race but Binocular never ran up to his level. What utter tripe!!! He may not win another Champion but he’s run as well if not better in that race as any race he ever has pre Cheltenham. If Binocular never ran up to form why on earth would you even consider backing Rockon Ruby to win the Champion Hurdle? makes no sense to me
Don’t talk shyte mate he’s beaten Overturn twice as far as he did last year on a track that doesn’t really suit him. Rock on Ruby was the best horse in the race but Binocular never ran up to his level. What utter tripe!!! He may not win another Champion but he’s run as well if not better in that race as any race he ever has pre Cheltenham. If Binocular never ran up to form why on earth would you even consider backing Rockon Ruby to win the Champion Hurdle? makes no sense to me
So in one thread you decide to quote AP endlessly to support a stance on how good you think he is, yet we now choose to ignore AP and his after-race comments here? He wasn’t exactly positive.
Rock on Ruby would have won if he jumped better in my opinion. I don’t think Overturn can be used a true guage here, he went out very quickly and i don’t think he’s run up to form.
I said if both were of similar price i’d rather back Rock on Ruby. Reading comprehension.
Binocular is a good horse. A very good horse. Yet we’ve been waiting for a supposed repeat performance of his Champion win (Which it’s visual impression gives a false impression of his ability).
Little enough fun around here without you croaking it 
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