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If the sponsorship of C4 Racing now amounts to £2million, surely the bookies would have to put their hands in their pockets. Over 12 months, the loss of turnover and effect on bets like the Scoop6 would surely mean industry action would have to be taken to keep racing on terrestrial TV.
If I ran Channel 5, I would be quite happy to pick up racing and the ensuing sponsorship plus BHA payments if C4 walked away. You could then host it from a studio and take RUK/SIS pictures for the racing itself – after all, it’s the races that matter, not the cast of thousands waffling away in between.
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The problem with using members of the public as guests, Neil, is the inherent risk that one or more of them turn out to be bitter gambling addicts who will ultimately do more harm than good.
God forbid Tanya should ask Colin from Preston if he fancies Bast Of The Lunch, only to get ‘not a chance, luv, he’s trained by Slan Awinbank the crooked b*stard’ in reply.
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Such a wonderful game this because you know the most important figure in all of this can’t speak, yes thats right we all know horses cant speak which leaves all of us running around in circles with opinions, its great!
"after all, it’s the races that matter, not the cast of thousands waffling away in between."
Mulls, what makes the BBC’s decision to pull out of the "bread and butter" racing all the more scary is your point here – but its inverse.
One horse race looks much like another to the uninitiated. Look at some of the weird dross Epsom hosted this past season: Without context and guides, the Derby, to someone watching a race for the first time, is no different to a Class 6 handicap run on a Thursday night.
One motor car still looks the same as the other to me because at no stage in my life has an F1 presenter/personality ever engaged me and the current batch of BBC presenters are unlikely to change that.
Enthusiasts like us have already got ATR and RUK. We buy the Post, the Update and the Outlook. We subscribe to strange software packages. We’re forumites. Some of us may already own a leg or two.
In short, we’re already hooked and we can dismiss the presenters with a smile.
In my case, without Big Mac and Brough Scott on Channel 4 in 1983 I wouldn’t be here. They enthused me. I’d never seen anything like the former in my life, outside Flash Harry in the St Trinian’s films. And Brough Scott reminded me of Our Man in Havana. It was only after relating to the humans involved that I started to understand the horses.
The question is; who are the presenters, the guides, the engagers for the future. Because we still need them.
Maxilion – that’s all fair enough but there’s nobody around now who could possibly make the impact of McCririck in the early 80s.
And when C4 do features that may connect the viewers with the horses they are watching, they tend to feature the same handful of trainers and jockeys each time.
And if I never see Alistair Down and Martin Pipe tucking into meat and two veg before Cheltenham again, I’ll be a very happy man.
That said, all of the above is preferable to no terrestrial racing coverage.
as emmas mouth never moves when she "speaks" i assume she is worked by a arm up her back so getting rid of her would would save 2 wages…..sorted!
There appears to be an old bleat missing.
Let’s have a heated debate.
so angry he even forgot to edit.."The Treasury, which determines how betting operators are taxed, have decided to tax exchanges based on their gross revenues (just like they tax bookmakers), the DCMS, which decides how to regulate betting operators, is regulating the exchanges (just like they regulate bookies) rather than their users, and, when the bookies on the Levy Board tried to impose something different on the exchanges, the Judiciary ruled their actions illegal.
Yet, in face of all of this, those 24-carat muppets on the Morning Line (who were probably too stupid and lazy to research all of the above before going on air) still aren’t afraid to make complete charlies of themselves on air when discussing (or trying to discuss) the subject.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic – C4 should be shamed of The Morning Line, it’s a pile of unadulerated, outdated, chauvinistic, Luddite b*****ks, largely hosted by a bunch of egocentic clowns, who delude themselves that their matey banter is more interesting than their subject matter – horse racing and betting. "
Now don’t you all feel better
Jeez, Gamble. Was that a quote from someone else? I recognise the style…that post seems so unlike you?
Mulls, I agree with you. I’ve spent the afternoon thinking about The Face of Racing and I’ve come up short.
Dettori? Francome? Lydia Hislop? Nevison? The existing mob on ALL channels bring fundamental weaknesses to the table. We need a celebrity from outside the firmament, methinks.
"………. largely hosted by a bunch of egocentic clowns, who delude themselves that their matey banter is more interesting than their subject matter – horse racing and betting. "
There’s a lot of that about.
Colin
5 tears ago
the lost at sea
poster dungheap
conducted a poll
mimmicking that
conducted by
the morning line
best price bookie or exchange
I think
62% TV audience went for the bookie
the hobby horse post was
from Mr Ian DaviesThe man in black (mk 1) seems to be getting a lot of mentions lately.Just shows what a profound affect he had on this forum.
Channel 4 would save money by stopping employing someone to interview the winning jockey after each race. Its a total nonsense as it’s plainly obvious he or she will be happy to have won the race and it adds nothing to the viewing experience by hearing how they did it – STOP IT NOW!
Max; Ben Fogle has just got into horseracing..bought a horse and sounds quite enthusiastic.
Well i would rather listen to dog bark at a cat than listen to Alistar Down so the fact he has been gasumped from the summer is just about a perfect news for me.
Less of Thommo maybe good for the health.
I would rather Nick Luck just did the whole presenting of the program and Catt/Spencer does the secretary job of annoying people at the racecourse. Big Mac is needed in the betting ring as thats the main reason i listen to CH4.
nick luck? the man’s a ponce, pure ponce.
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Well i would rather listen to dog bark at a cat than listen to Alistar Down so the fact he has been gasumped from the summer is just about a perfect news for me.
Less of Thommo maybe good for the health.
I would rather Nick Luck just did the whole presenting of the program and Catt/Spencer does the secretary job of annoying people at the racecourse. Big Mac is needed in the betting ring as thats the main reason i listen to CH4.
nick luck? the man’s a ponce, pure ponce.
Blackfingernail
If the above, and your 2 word response on the Peterborough Chase thread, is what passes for intelligent discussion, then one of us is on the wrong forum!
I would willingly to join Phil Walker’s
stop it now campaignThis space invading big brother tactic
is surely only encouraging
gregarious, simply red, X factor types,
rather than the quiet moody introverts
like Less ter is more,
the stuff Breasley old stoneface
who just got on with the job
in the saddle,a neck, a short head,
a nose,and no jabber jabberTo see ex company lawyer Lesley
force feeding a young seven pounder
with her big girl thrusting microphone
requires a Jim in limbo response" YOU must be havin’ a laugh "
Gambers, our marquee names are a bit samey. There HAS to be better out there in Racingland. There HAS to be.
Interesting people, funny people, people with new ideas and new approaches, mad people, people unafraid of upsetting trainers like SMS – who deserved censure for his disgraceful behaviour at Santa Anita – because they’ll soon lose their inside line to tips.
Susan Boyle, Leona Lewis and that Alex Woman; Ray Quinn, Ben Mills and loads of others. Unknowns all until they ran prominently in the X-Factor Stakes. Household names. These people on the ML, ATR and RUK with all the connections have had their time. Time for some new blood on a flagship light entertainment programme like the ML.
Big Mac had the fantastic attribute of being original and memorable, outspoken, clever, intellectual and from a dying social class which ninety percent of us will only ever encounter in fiction. Plus, that magnificent Sherlock Holmes cape and hat, and that strange language, something out of "A Clockwork Orange". Francome has a certain David Essex charm and the Betfair guy (sorry, temporarily forgot his name), would put people on to some serious winners. But the rest? Homogenous…seriously homogenous.
Moe, I’ll check out Ben Fogle. Any others? James Nesbit? Claire King?
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