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Hmmm…I don’t think Fame and Glory is value at 6/4. He may well win tomorrow but there are plenty others who will be more suited to conditions and didn’t have to take in the hustle and bustle of the Arc.
Hmmm…I don’t think Fame and Glory is value at 6/4. He may well win tomorrow but there are plenty others who will be more suited to conditions and didn’t have to take in the hustle and bustle of the Arc.
But they all have ten pounds or more to find on him.
Long time since Marcus Tregoning has been so positive about one of his horses as he is on Page 8 of the Post this morning. His enthusiasm for the chances of
Mawatheeq
shines off the page like a beacon.
6/1 is a bit skinny on the formbook but he’ll do for me. They usually run very well with this level of expressed confidence and the yard – creatures of habit – have solid previous in this race with Nayef.
Hmmm…I don’t think Fame and Glory is value at 6/4. He may well win tomorrow but there are plenty others who will be more suited to conditions and didn’t have to take in the hustle and bustle of the Arc.
But they all have ten pounds or more to find on him.
Yes he should win – if you believe his rating has not been seriously inflated. If he is in reality somewhere around a 128 horse he is going to find it a little bit tougher.
Fame And Glory’s ten furlong form is far better than anything else’s in the race. 7/4 now, that is a stupid price, should be odds on.
Earlier i took 15/8 on F&G. It’s at a price to double it up with whatever other bets you can think of if he’s not your main bet. I though it would end up something like 10/11.
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Yes he should win – if you believe his rating has not been seriously inflated. If he is in reality somewhere around a 128 horse he is going to find it a little bit tougher.
The day of reckoning is nigh – imo, anyway.
He may well be miles better than the rest of the field but he must have been trained to peak at Longchamp, with the Champions Stakes as an afterthought. Can he still be near his peak? Will the pacemaker eventually pay off for him? An ordinary renewal but one that is causing split opinions………..
For me Fame and Glory must be opposed, even at his drifted price of 7/4. I’d need at least 85/40. May have the best form by a long way. Possibly not given the best of rides, but even so was a long way below his best in the Arc. Test of stamina should have suited; now back in trip and on firmer going. The latter probably being more significant. There’s the small time gap between the two races, after a full three year old campaign. May be Coolmoore are thinking it will help his stud career. Not the best quality group 1 in the world; and may not have the speed to win at this trip next year. Don’t blame connections from having a go, does not have to be at his best to win. (imo 33% 2/1 chance).
Sariska got beat by Dar Re Mi in the Yorkshire Oaks, but found to be in season afterwards. Some good judges saw obvious signs in the paddock afterwards, backing up trainer’s words. That form looks far better anyway, with subsequent runs of the winner. Sariska not that much below form. Midday has also advertised Epsom Oaks form. Irish Oaks form on heavy can be ignored for this race analysis. Connections are a little worried about the going, but ran her best race (up to that time) in Musidora on similarly good-firm. Should have enough speed (by Pivotal), especially in a truly run race. Virtually no chance of a slowly run race with Fame And Glory in the field (needs a strongly run race at trip to have any chance. (16.4% 5/1)
Mawatheeq’s price has gone, well done to those who went in ante-post. Improved at 12 furlongs but bred to be at least equally effective at this trip. By Danzig (speed influence) but from family of Nashwan. Inexperienced for a race like this though certainly a horse to bear in mind for next season. (13% 13/2).
Doctor Freemantle looked a bet at 12/1 this morning. Another who will be suited by a truly run race, always held up. Been running at 12 furlongs lately but evidence suggests will be better at this trip. Was at Newbury last time out. Came from well back in a slowly run 12 furlong race, hampered in his run too. A lot better than result suggests. Pulled hard in the past but more settled lately. Well suited by a firm surface. Can improve. Often been weak in the market this year yet well backed today. (10.25% 17/2)
Never On Sunday ran poorly last time at a mile; never going the pace. Better form at this trip but should have done better. Winner at 9 furlongs. Poor run may have more to do with ground. Second run in succession on a firm surface, run mostly on a soft one. Got away with it at Royal Ascot. Third in close finish with Vision d’Etat and Tartan Bearer. If able to run to that form / improve has a chance. (9% 10/1)
Twice Over has been trained for this, won two small condition races in his build up. Second, long way behind New Approach last year. I have a theory he does not like being crowded these days. Run well when racing prominently. Possible place prospects again, but difficult to see him improving enough. (5.25% 18/1)
Alpine Rose can be given a chance on her run against Spanish Moon (Youmzain below form just behind). Equally effective at 10 furlongs, but asking a lot to come back after disappointing on Arc day. (3.7% 25/1)
Pipedreamer won last time out in slowly run race at this trip. But I have a theory he does not quite stay a truly run 10 furlongs (Cambridgeshire winner over 9f). This won’t be slowly run. Loves the going. (3.7% 25/1)
Campanologist looks up against it on form but is suited by conditions, comes back in trip. Barely stays 12 furlongs and loves a firm surface. Has a high head carriage and does not always look genuine. Stable in very good form but seems exposed. (2.7% 33/1)
Virtual is unexposed at the trip but all his best form is on much softer. (2% 50/1)
Barshiba is not entirely out of it. Stable in good form and yesterdays racing seemed to favour those ridden prominently (over other side of the course). Races prominently, one-eyed and does not like to be crowded. If Set Sail and Fame And Glory were not in the field would fancy her strongly as a lively outsider. (0.75% 132/1)
Forgotten Voice to me looks more of a 7f – mile horse. From the family of Breeders Cup winner Arcangues, but by speed influence Danehill Dancer. (0.2% 500/1)
City Leader’s best form is not good enough. Had a problem since and run poorly on his return. (0.05% 2000/1)
Set Sail has no chance, given the way Coolmoore use their pacemakers. In my opinion against the rules of racing. But that’s for another thread. (Would not back it at any price)
(prices are to 100%, my prices to beat)
Value Is EverythingFame and Glory’s Irish Champion second is the best form on show by some considerable margin. If he has returned from his respectful Arc sixth in good form, he will take all the beating.
I agree with TAPK, judging by the way he swept past Mastercraftsman, an Irish 2000 Guineas and Royal Ascot winner, you wouldn’t expect a truly run 10 Furlongs to inconvenience him.
The biggest danger should come from Sariska. There were valid excuses for her defeat by Dar Re Mi last time out. A fine effort, regardless, that form is still very strong, but I think she could find this trip a tad shape under todays conditions.
The older generation are represented by Twice Over and Pipedreamer. With all due respect, the fact that these two ordinary rivals were competing well at this level last year suggests that the afforementioned 3YOs are superior.
The Tregoning horse is likable and improving, but he will need to step up on his latest victory and I don’t think he can do that over todays trip. Looks for all the world like he could actually stay further than twelve furlongs.
The two French challengers aren’t without a chance, but will also need to find more in order to challenge the Irish Derby and dual Oaks winner.
Fame and Glory to show his class and hold off Sariska.
Well there weren’t going to be many people that predicted a Twice Over win
.I admit it, don’t understand it at all.
Can’t begrudge Henry Cecil a Group One victory. An absolute Masterclass.
What does that tell you about New Approach?
Fame and Glory never travelling.
The one to take out of the race is the Tregoning horse. Looks sure to be thereabouts in top class middle distance races next season.
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Wonderful effort from Henry Cecil. It’s been a good day for master trainers across the globe. Once again it pays to stick with a horse that’s set and peaked for the race. Fame And Glory looked narrow behind to me and was ridden much too close to the pacemakers without any cover to be a serious chance at the business end. It’s like the rest got the chance to use him as the real pacemaker in the race.
For me this is the best training performance of the season and what a refreshing change to see a 4 year old trounce the classic group.
Fame and Glory is simply not a 1m2f horse. His breeding gave him little chance today. I had a quick look (after the race) at the Dosage Ratings of previous winners and Fame and Glory was nowhere near the profile of a champion stakes winner. If they keep him in training next season they should be looking at 1m4f +. Could be a possible replacement for Yeats next year?
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