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Am I the only one who does really worry of the thought of him leaving Mick Halford for Saeed Bin Surour? Godolphin have confirmed he will move trainers, and go to Dubai in the winter.
Far from it JJM
He’s been my favourite 2yo this season, the way he goes about his business is really admirable. No clamming around, looks very straightforward in his races.
I’ve more or less given up on him having a realistic crack at the brilliant Frankel now though
Lovely horse that he is,
Casamento
must have a bit of cut but also has stamina in abundance! No chance in a firm ground Derby though imo!
We all know where this is likely to end knowing Godolphins track record.
Should see him appearing in handicap company by September next year.
Sad, as they should leave them with their stables where they are thriving imo.
Anyone know a worse business model ?
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Anyone know a worse business model ?
That is the point: Sheikh Mohammed does not run his racing empire as a
business
, but as a
sport
– for his own entertainment and fun.
The fact that the largest owner in the sport does this, and thoroughly enjoys what he gets out of it, ought to give pause for thought to those whining super-rich business types who want to see racing as some sort of failing milch-cow, and adjust its ethos to their own depressingly low sights.
I take your point totally Pinza, and I accept that the horses are his property to choose what to do with them. That said I would prefer to enjoy my sport more to see my horses achieving to their full potential and winning. In my view the whole Godolphin operation is a disappointment, and it must be incredibly frustrating for the trainers to keep losing their most promising charges
I’m disappointed the horse is going to Dubai but Mick knew the score when he was sent the two colts.
I think the Sheikh would be wise to spread his horses around more. Look at how New Approach thrived as a 3yo with Jim Bolger. Would he have been half as successful if he had been transferred to Godolphin? It’s doubtful.
This whole thing is to promote Dubai.
Its disappointing as a race fan but the owner has his commercial reasons
Am I the only one who does really worry of the thought of him leaving Mick Halford for Saeed Bin Surour?
Why is it necessarily a bad thing? Saeed Bin Surour is no lesser trainer than Halford, if I’m not mistaken, his records are far better.
It was a pleasure to see the Sheikh’s old colours yesterday. I’m surprised he doesn’t use them in the UK anymore as they are really attractive silks. I’ve missed them.
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Why is it necessarily a bad thing? Saeed Bin Surour is no lesser trainer than Halford, if I’m not mistaken, his records are far better.
Behave yourself, wl.
I’m not normally one for knocking trainers, but the number of top class horses he’s had – only to see them running down the field in good races, before picking up 8k end-of-season condition races – is legion, and I’d doubt you can name 1 single trainer who’s had anywhere near the quality and not achieved considerably more?His record nurturing 2 year old’s into 3 year old’s. And he has had more success, as he gets more horses. It’s a number’s game, if he keeps getting very good horses, he’s going to turn the odd one into stars.
I’d doubt you can name 1 single trainer who’s had anywhere near the quality and not achieved considerably more?
Have a look at Michael Stoute or A P O’Brien, I don’t suppose they are being handed with poor quality horses.
His record nurturing 2 year old’s into 3 year old’s. And he has had more success, as he gets more horses. It’s a number’s game, if he keeps getting very good horses, he’s going to turn the odd one into stars.
Perhaps there is a reason why he keeps getting the good horses.
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There could just be a
better
2yo than Casamento carrying Sheikh Mohammed’s colours in Ireland.
This afternoon Dubai Prince (trained by Weld) will start hot favourite in the Group 3 Killavullan Stakes at Leopardstown. As he beat Seville on his debut by further than the 3/4 length that Casamento beat the same horse on Saturday, and as improvement is clearly expected, no surprise if this beautifully bred Shamardal colt turns out to be the smarter of Sheikh Mohammed’s Irish pair.
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wl
I’m not talking of the millions of poundsworth of new horses he gets to train each year (certainly a lot more than his counterparts, anyway) but of established high class horses that he receives year after year, that invariably regress when in his care. Horses like:
Delegator
Cavalryman
Cutlass Bay
& Kingsfort
all proper gp1 horses passed into his care this season, certainly better quality than any other stable could expect, yet he has still to win much more than a bag of crisps with since their arrival.- Total Posts 17716
Delegator achieved his highest official rating (121) under Suroor, not Meehan. That rating has been sustained.
Cavalryman and Cutlass Bay were both cunningly campaigned by Fabre to look better than they probably were; and in the case of the former, he’s only just getting back to his mid-season 3yo form – it’s possible that Fabre bottomed both of them in getting the results he did.
Kingsfort has been significantly injured and clearly needed his comeback run, which was full of promise.
All in all, therefore, your little list doesn’t do much to promote a negative notion about Suroor’s ability.
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