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Interesting market move today from 25s , apparently available earlier, into 8s, and won unchallenged.
Last 6 runs include 4 defeats by 69+ lengths and 2 pulled ups.
In the handicap rating drops from 118 to 95 and horse also moves stableSorry all, having computer problems.
Final sentence of my previous post should begin "in the meantime"
ApologiesWhen you find a winner that has raced competitively recently or wasn’t punted or has consistently been in the same stable as listed in today’s racecard for the past twelve months, let us know.
It would be far more newsworthy.
Drifting like punters from the racecourse as I write this….
Will it do the er…business today?
Any chance people could consult the following before starting such threads:
A) The form book
B) The advance going report
C) The actual conditionsJust a thought.
Rory, I wouldn’t bother. The entire forum is infected with self haters and agenda merchants. It’s become an epidemic.
Anyone who has ever followed horse racing in the past two years knows that Cashel Blue loves it like a swamp and the 25/1 was a rick in the circumstances.
Corm, you need to sort this.
The forum is getting a bad name from all these agenda merchants. We’re becoming a laughing stock – and I’m not just talking about newbies. There are two or three ancient posters who read like they’re having a self-hating nervous breakdown.
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Presumably you were on then, Max? Rory?
Coggy, far from being a ‘self-hater’ – whatever that’s supposed to mean – merely stated that the market move ‘was interesting’. Considering Cashel Blue’s numerous comprehensive defeats on heavy ground within the last two years, I don’t think the remark was at all out of line.
It opens the matter up for discussion if nothing else. If you don’t agree, then say so; wrapping posts in riddles and dressing down someone for not actually expressing much of an opinion is ridiculous.
As for likening ‘agenda merchants’ to a virus, Max, is that not a little bit rich given the ferocity and regularity with which you have attacked racing’s desire to re-schedule headline meetings? I agree with the sentiment – your romanticism actually works for you in that respect – but I thought you were better than condemning an individual for voicing a justifiable concern or view.
Tend to agree that the price was a rick based on the quicker going before the rain arrived. I will always remember the following quote in relation to the going.
"Phil Bull, the founder of Timeform used to say that the state of the ground was the most important fact a punter needs to know before having a bet on a horse. A liking for certain going can improve a horse’s performance by many pounds. Conversely, dislike of the prevailing going, if pronounced enough, can ruin a horses chance of winning a race completely. Horses are built in different ways and their action (style of running) also differs. Few are able to deliver the same level of performance on firm and heavy going. Know this and place due emphasis on it! Realize though that courses do vary, so heavy at one track might become considerably heavier than it does at another. The main factor though is:- consider the state of the going".
Rory, I wouldn’t bother. The entire forum is infected with self haters and agenda merchants. It’s become an epidemic.
Anyone who has ever followed horse racing in the past two years knows that Cashel Blue loves it like a swamp and the 25/1 was a rick in the circumstances.
Corm, you need to sort this.
The forum is getting a bad name from all these agenda merchants. We’re becoming a laughing stock – and I’m not just talking about newbies. There are two or three ancient posters who read like they’re having a self-hating nervous breakdown.
With the greatest respect, Max, your post is a huge overreaction in every aspect.
"Anyone who has ever followed horse racing in the past two years knows that Cashel Blue loves it like a swamp and the 25/1 was a rick in the circumstances."
Really? A brief look through the bible tells me the horse has raced ten times on ground soft or worse, and has been beaten out of sight seven times, pulled twice and unseated its rider once. See it as you will.
I’ve not, not suggested anywhere that any skullduggery has taken place regarding Cashel Blue, and have merely commented in the relevant ‘Gamble Landed’ thread.
"Anyone who has ever followed horse racing in the past two years knows that Cashel Blue loves it like a swamp and the 25/1 was a rick in the circumstances."
Really? A brief look through the bible tells me the horse has raced ten times on ground soft or worse, and has been beaten out of sight seven times, pulled twice and unseated its rider once. See it as you will.
My formbook tells me the horse has raced on heavy ground in the UK 10 times before today, winning one of those and being placed twice, all off significantly higher marks than today. I’d take yours back and ask for a refund.
Another back class special. Cashel Blue 8lbs clear on Raceform unadjusted master ratings, only 3 horses with ratings better than the median winning rating 0-105 hurdle rating for Newton Abbot in the race, two of which wouldnt have liked the heavy ground. A forecast 25/1 should give a good insight into what makes a forecast price, a forecast price.
Rory has it right imo.
"Anyone who has ever followed horse racing in the past two years knows that Cashel Blue loves it like a swamp and the 25/1 was a rick in the circumstances."
Really? A brief look through the bible tells me the horse has raced ten times on ground soft or worse, and has been beaten out of sight seven times, pulled twice and unseated its rider once. See it as you will.
My formbook tells me the horse has raced on heavy ground in the UK 10 times before today, winning one of those and being placed twice, all off significantly higher marks than today. I’d take yours back and ask for a refund.
Which form book is that and whose going descriptions? The horse has won three races in its career from what I can see and they all have the word good in the official description. By contrast, the majority of his recent deplorable runs were officially classed as heavy.
Potato, pot-ar-to.
It does appear, in hindsight, that the latest ten pound drop aided the cause today. I did have a bet in the race and noted that fact before the race, and I still didn’t think it had a chance, but that’s racing, I suppose. I’ll grant you a temporary license to after-time and ask if you were on?
As I’ve said, I haven’t stated any wrong doing on the connections part, but IMO, the market support for a horse previously beaten out of sight and the manner of its victory would suggest someone was slightly more certain of the outcome than, say, you were. (wink wink)
Glenn – I see that Cashel Blue’s win at Chepstow appears in the official form book as good-soft, which surprises me. It’s listed as heavy in the Timeform database and it certainly looked to race that way on the day. The going at Wincanton when he was placed twice in January that year also appears as Heavy.
Yes indeedy CR
Only runner today with much experience of heavy, and the only one proven to act on it
Blinkered first time
Not shown a propensity for going well fresh, hence debut for Rodford after five months off can be forgiven
Has shown best form when turned out within two weeks or so of last run
Won a Chepstow heavy ground 3m hurdle off a ~stone higher mark ~18 months ago so today’s trip at t’Abbot was hardly likely to weary him
His profile reads like the archetypal promising horse soured by a gruelling race who, by association, became unhappy in familiar surroundings
25/1
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