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Mattthew01 wrote…I think the only question we need to be asking now is what price is this horse going to open up Friday
GOVERNMENT WEALTH WARNING:
Fictitious scenario: You are the trainer. Both you and the jockey are likely to receive massive fines and lengthy bans if found guilty under the non-triers rule. Your owner is likely to take his horses away from you for your failure to have the horse properly set-up for his betting coup and for having been sussed. In effect, this will put you out of business. The horse is due to run again in two days. What would you do?:-
(a) Do you make sure that over the next two days you pull every trick in the book to ensure that the horse runs lifeless? (b) Do you tell the jockey to run from the front this time knowing that after (a) he’ll weaken in the final furlong? (c) Do you go flat-out to win the race and have one big punt to tide you over the months/years ahead? (d) Do you withdraw the horse from the race on the grounds that you want the betting public to have a level playing field and its presence in the race would be a distraction.The horses who come over from France to race for Nicholls, Pipe etc aren’t running off a French hurdles mark they’re running off a mark allocated to them by the British handicapper based loosely on the mark given to them in France, presumably looking at the various ratings using a conversion chart of some sorts which IMO is at least 5-7lbs out.
French NH races are run differently to ours and it will only be the very best who can win top races on both sides of the channel ie. Long Run, Hurricane Fly and to an extent Big Bucks.
There’s the issue with French bred and raced NH horses running off handicap marks gained from racing over French obstacles in France.
Looking back, I never said the French handicapped them. I’m fully aware Mr Smith takes one good guess and thinks "that will do."
Thank you for your usual gracious reply Matthew. I was only attempting to put some meat on your rather insipid question….Mattthew01 wrote…I think the only question we need to be asking now is what price is this horse going to open up Friday
More to the point might be to ask….what price is this horse going to close at?
Pru,
Just a thought, but is it possible that you and Silvoir are talking about two different sites concerning non runners?
One is looking at http://www.britishhorseracing.com, the other at http://www.racingadmin.com.
If so that might explain the confusion.
AP
Maybe, only I am not aware that I have been talking at all about non-runners recently. With anyone!
Either I have had a senior moment or you have mistaken me for someone else.
I’m not only addressing the wrong person, I’m doing it on the wrong thread!
Apologies all round,
AP
Thank you for your usual gracious reply Matthew. I was only attempting to put some meat on your rather insipid question….Mattthew01 wrote…I think the only question we need to be asking now is what price is this horse going to open up Friday
More to the point might be to ask….what price is this horse going to close at?
I’m about to see this for the first time on review Sir.
Looking at the replay again, I’m now having second thoughts. Could it be that the jockey was initially intending going for a gap along the rail, changed his mind when it looked too tight, pulled out looking for another gap and saw that was about to be blocked and then was at sixes and sevens not knowing how he could get through? The horse does appear to be very head strong and so I’m not so sure it was a non-trier. Friday’s race will be very interesting, especially events before the race.
Even if you feel the ride was misjudged, and I’m sorry I don’t, why did the jockey keep the horse away from the rest of the field for the first 2f and then switch the horse to race in-behind with cover? If the horse needed cover, then the jockey could have got that immediately, and if he wanted to race separately up what the jockey might have felt was the better ground, he could have kept straight for the whole 7f down the stand-side rail.
As for gaps, would the stewards have seen a head-on at Newcastle? I know sometimes after a race there we see an almost ground view head-on camera angle.
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An extraordinary sight, certainly – but was it not all very
flamboyant
for a genuine non-trier?
If a half-competent team wanted to keep the horse under wraps for a Musselburgh coup tomorrow, surely a quiet ride mid-pack followed by a couple of "attempts" to get through no-existent gaps and early acceptance of the situation would have been a more anonymous way to do it.
But then, perhaps this team is
not
competent. It all looks most peculiar, but of course if the horse is as headstrong and wayward as it seemed here then a mediocre jockey would have had at least some of the problems we saw. I suppose the jury’s out: their best chance of getting off would be an equally strange display from horse and rider tomorrow, and a finish out of the places.
Second try at this as google failed to connect first effort. I really am at a loss to understand if this was skull duggery what the point was. The horse did not drift in fact it was nibbled at in the market, being engaged to go again tomorrow would suggest that if anything the plan was to win and run again under a penalty. Anything else makes no sense.
Neither do I understand Glenn’s point regarding being ‘off shore’ what possible bearing does that have on this case?Perhaps he could explainKent,
Once upon a time there was this guy called Clark Dougal who fell to earth from outer space. A puny chap, he went along to the local illegal fight club, where regulation was very lax and they let anyone fight, to contest the punyweight division. He got absolutely hammered and some of the innocent punters there thought he’d never show his face again.
Lo and behold, he turned up the very next night and asked to take on a tougher fighter for more prize money. Those with only last night’s hammering to go on chalked up fancy odds.
Just before the bell rings Clark says ‘Hang on a sec, I just have to nip to the phone booth outside’. He returns in blue leotard with an S on his chest.
Do I have to tell you how the fight turned out?
The ride didn’t look great, but by the same token the horse looks a complete *******.
Apologies in advance to anyone who thinks I’m being rude (that’s not my intention), but anyone defending this ride knows absolutely nothing about horseracing in my opinion. The ride was a disgrace, it’s as simple as that.
I’ve read comments saying the horse is ungenuine, it’s head-strong, it’s a complete **** etc etc. Well so would you be if all you wanted to do is run in a straight line as fast as you could, only to be tugged back and have your head constantly pulled from side to side.
One Eye wrote….The ride was a disgrace
Did you ask Matthew’s permission before writing this because I do believe it comes directly from the latest revised edition of his travelling companion book of ‘Insults to Throw at Jockeys’ available from airport lounges and good book shops at £5.99.
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