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    Richard88
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    I liked that they showed the university professor scorning the “trust your gut” ad and pointing out that “The Professor” mate, that they made out to be the uncool fun sponge, was the only one with half a hope of beating the bookies.

    Never seen them but that is pretty clever advertising. Subtle enough to get past the censors too. His mate (the former gambling addict) was the best person in it. I was impressed how he had a go at him for being in the adverts.

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    Red Rum 77
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    NOTE : Panarama are doing a program about addictive gambling on Monday.

    They shut that presenter’s account down last week.

    These they encouraging to bet more.

    At the bottom of bookies adverts they have the slogan “When the fun stops : STOP! ”

    I’ve said at work they don’t really mean it.

    However I never dreamt they go this far as to pester people.

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    Triptych
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    That Panorama programme tonight was a real eyeopener for me too Rummy as to how the big firms carry on when they notice unusually high betting history on their sites. Of course they have all the take a break and when the fun stops STOP notices on their sites but once folk get drawn in to casino, poker and fruit machine games it’s the road to ruin :negative:

    I was amazed by the man who was having over a hundred bets a day with Ladbrokes, lost his house, his business and swindled his clients out of money. He tried to give up and managed 5 months before his bookies deposited £10,000 in his account which set him off again on the road to ruin. They also gave him free VIP tickets to Wembley and Royal Ascot where he would be encouraged to gamble throughout the day by Ladbrokes own VIP management representative.
    He has since put his hands up and apologised to those he swindled and the court has been lenient with him allowing him to counsel other addictive gamblers with a view to stopping.

    Also the 66 year old who lost her house and children’s inheritance (over £650.000) playing JackpotJoy who constantly topped up her losing runs with £100 bonuses and when she was having a paricularly bad time they put even more into her account for free to keep her playing, now she is penniless.

    It really is a mugs game, I never stray away from horse racing however much money a bookie would deposit free for me to play poker or casino games. With horse racing you have a certain amount of control but the jury’s out on spinning numbers on a screen and a computer automatically turning your cards for you :whistle: …Jac

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    Also the 66 year old who lost her house and children’s inheritance (over £650.000) playing JackpotJoy who constantly topped up her losing runs with £100 bonuses and when she was having a paricularly bad time they put even more into her account for free to keep her playing, now she is penniless.

    The bit I found most shocking was the grand they gave her knowing her father had just died. That is utterly beyond the pale. I genuinely don’t know how some of these people sleep at night. The poor woman was on the verge of tears in some of those conversations where they called her up to giver her free credits.

    But of course ‘everything has changed now and nothing like that could possibly happen today’. Roughly translated, ‘we may have been utter bastards in the past but we’ve changed now, honest’. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

    I do firmly believe in personal responsibility for these things (I have taken responsibility for my own gambling in the past when it’s got out of hand) but the examples from that programme with the firms enticing them back in are disgusting.

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    All adverts for gambling need to be banned.

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    Just watched the Panorama one on iplayer. The company ringing up the lady when she hadn’t been online for 24hrs to push free bonuses at her to drag her back in was horrendous. When they asked if she was OK I naively thought they were going to point her towards Gamblers Anonymous…

    They did it to the fraud guy too. That’s like bar staff continuing to serve a known alcoholic till he stumbles outside and collapses in the gutter, whereupon they go out, gently put his arms round their shoulders and carry him back into the pub for free shots. That would be totally illegal if bar staff did it.

    It’s not as if they don’t know…£600k….the only people who can piss away that amount for fun and remain unaffected are the likes of JP McManus. And he isn’t playing the online sodding fruit machines. The 78% revenue from 4% of players was pretty telling.

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    Do bookmakers still give money/bonuses to high amount losers? Or was that part of there previous bad days.

    If they do then an undercover journalist needs to record such conversations and the bookmakers exposed.

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    Really disappointing in this era of social media and rapid communication that businesses that behave as disgustingly as a few of the ones mentioned in the Panorama programme aren’t immediately subjected to being boycotted and brought to their knees financially.

    I would like to think that 99% of people would object to companies that prey on vulnerable and addicted people to make their profits. Utterly contemptible and should be actionable.

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    It is actually horrifying to know that they will let you lose that much money

    And not only will they let you lose it they will ring you up and offer you free money to get you into another chasing spiral

    It’s hard to know who is more to blame, the companies or the regulators

    The introduction of the £2 max stake in shop is clearly pointless if people can do £2000 spins online

    Tighter regulation online is surely only around the corner

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    And these VIP managers and whoever instructs them what their role is must be some of the biggest scum on the planet

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    Nathan Hughes
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    NAP – Its no different to those sells people you see on rogue traders who target the vulnerable
    Matt Allwright needs to get his disguise on and go under cover at the bookies headquarters

    NB – I dropped my sandwhich on the way to work perhaps I should phone the bookies and see if they would like to put a fiver in my account although you can guarantee those bonus they were handing out came with x30 wagering requirements before withdrawal

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    And these VIP managers and whoever instructs them what their role is must be some of the biggest scum on the planet

    I’d love to be a fly on the wall in those meetings. Somebody must literally be instructing them to extract as much money from these people as possible at all costs. If I was asked to do that they’d be told to stick their job firmly up their backside.

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    To do that job you would have to have absolutely zero empathy for the people on the other end of the phone

    Any normal person would as you say tell them to stuff it

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    Matron
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    15/08/2019 19:30 ITV1

    Ross Kemp: Living With….

    – Online Gambling Addiction

    Another programme being aired.

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    Triptych
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    Will watch that tonight Matron :good: interesting to see how it compares with the Panorama version..the way these bookies are encouraging their clients to part with more than they can afford to loose is disgraceful,..perhaps Ross Kemp will get to the bottom of why so many folk are prepared to throw away everything they have worked a lifetime for so that bookies can throw that money the way of other compulsive gamblers who will no doubt give it straight back..a vicious circle of the darkest kind…forget 888 more like 666.

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