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Goodness me!
It’s developed into what Mrs Merton called “a heated debate” since my last visit!
My position remains the same.
We live in a country which has contrived not only to have a centre-right government since 2010 yet simultaneously is trying to convince everyone the country is actually in the grip of “Woke” leftists.
It’s quite ingenious and I believe the modern term for it is “gaslighting?”
However, I digress.
Racing is so rooted in the Dark Ages even some female jockeys wouldn’t support Bryony Frost – it reminded me of Candace Owens in the USA, the non-caucasian lady who seems to stand shoulder to shoulder with right-wing white supremacists.
What Bryony Frost from the evidence had to endure was appalling and no less appalling in my view is how, far from accepting the verdict and embracing the manifest need for change, the racing industry has turned its back on her and done its best to freeze her out.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"What’s a “Terf”?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysIt stands for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. It is a derogatory term used by trans rights activists to discredit feminists who stand up for women. It had been used against J.K Rowling and Germaine Greer, for example.
OK Richard, sorry I misunderstood. I only mentioned the subject because it annoys me to hear about concern for women’s safety when so much of our political class (including some senior “Conservatives” like Penny Mordaunt) appear to be in thrall to an ideology which I believe is a potential threat to the safety of women, as events this week have shown.
There is also the issue of what trans rights means for women’s sport – but that is a whole different can of worms!
Ok my last note on this in reply to Ian.
The fact the centre right government has been in power doesn’t mean that a far left leaning media can’t co-exist at the same time.
It’s all the more likely in fact when you allow for the fact the universities are overrun with the radical left leaning types.
I’m not trying to avoid debate on the matter, but this is a racing forum so I don’t want to be drawn any further into a political exchange.
N.b I was born and raised in Doncaster in the 80’s! I’ve hated the tories ever since so far be it from me to defend them or even be on the centre/right of the spectrum.
No worries Cork 👍🏻
Yes, definitely a difficult issue in sport although as everyone largely competes side by side in racing it’s perhaps less of an issue here. However I dread to think what could happen in something like boxing.
I think some physical contact sports have had to face reality, like rugby for example. But track and field athletics announced changes to the rules this week which potentially opens it up to someone like Lia Thomas in swimming. It totally ignores the fact that anyone who has been through male puberty retains physical advantages over biological women.
Yes that is precisely the problem. In everyday life if you want to go through the full transition then fair enough, that’s up to you but you have to accept that you may still not be welcome as a woman in certain aspects of life.
Some of the women’s world records in athletics are problematic enough as it is!
“N.b I was born and raised in Doncaster in the 80’s!”
Chezza’s father once worked in Doncaster and many’s the time on a midweek Doncaster race day the young adult Chezza was dropped off at 9am while he went to work.
Gingham Kitchens so Chezza could stuff his face with bacon and mushroom toasted sandwiches with lashings of coffee.
Then off to the Arndale Centre to hang around the bookies until lunchtime when Chezza was known to consume up to FOUR large donor kebabs at the establishment on Printing Office Street before walking to the racecourse.
It’s a small world, TC!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Ginghams kitchen and the Arndale centre are still there in reincarnation’s of their 80’s version Ian.
The mile or so walk from town to the track must of helped burn off at least one of the donners! And explains why you don’t have any issue foregoing food between entering and leaving a racecourse usually!
I hope you all on TERF Island realize that your obsessive hatred of transgender people to the point of inserting your grievances about them into unrelated conversations has made you a laughingstock of the world. But carry on.
Very well said, Miss Woodford. Just let people be whatever they want to be. No need to bring the far-left, far-right or whoever else into the discussion.
It is not obsessive hatred. No one is saying anything bad should be done to trans people. But their rights have to be balanced against women’s rights.
Funny how the trans rights activists are quick to accuse other people of obsessive hatred but have nothing to say about their friends posing with placards which say “Decapitate Terfs” or after Salman Rushdie was attacked sent messages to J.K Rowling saying “You’re next”.
Remind me who the haters are again?
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with trans people so let’s get back to the subject in hand.
Robbie Dunne was found guilty by an independent panel of bullying Bryony Frost. In almost all walks of life the victim would receive the full support of her colleagues.
But not in racing. Instead she has been shunned.
It’s not acceptable.
Must…… resist….. urge………to………post
Quick Robin, pass me the post repellent spray before it’s too late.
Here Batman……. Aaaaaaarghhh too late.
Are the pro trans brigade happy for the trans rapist who was sent to an all woman’s prison ok with this?
Please keep this topic on track.
Any “politcal observations, etc. post down in “The Lounge” – any more I will move the whole “thread” down there.
You’re right patriot, let’s get back to the thread.
Paul Nicholls has provided her with 442 career rides, her father with 369, Neil King with 319 and Lucy Wadham with 176 so far. Then, there is a huge gap to Chris Down and Ben Case who are joint-fifth on the list with just 15 rides each.
This isn’t something related to the Robbie Dunne case since the numbers are unchanged even after the verdict. I simply think most trainers don’t rate her as highly as some forumites do.
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