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Can’t dispute your logic, TC!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I see Danny Mullins is at Southwell, just to ride a horse his mum used to train (unless there’s a celebrity hairdresser in the area). I’ve had 50p ew on it.
From “The Daily Telegraph”:
“Lilly Pinchin, Britain’s leading female jockey over jumps this season, says the new changing room configurations to prevent the sexes having to mix at racecourses is putting female riders at a big tactical disadvantage.
Cotswolds-based Pinchin, who is being followed by a film crew for an end-of-season documentary, believes that at courses where the changes have already been made following the Bryony Frost/Robbie Dunne case, female riders are missing out on the male jockeys’ pre-race chat about tactics and therefore are going out to ride ‘blind’, with no knowledge of how a race is likely to unfold, certainly in the early parts.
‘The changes have produced some fantastic facilities, don’t get me wrong,’ Pinchin says, referencing Warwick, Fakenham and Leicester as prime examples. ‘It was important they were made but normally, because we are usually the minority, we’d have joined the men in their changing room five minutes before going out to the paddock to ask ‘what’s the plan?’
‘There’s only so much you can glean from the form book. It’s helpful to tell your owners how a race is likely to unfold. It’s the first thing your trainer is likely to ask you; what’s Harry [Cobden] doing, what’s Nico [de Boinville] doing. Not knowing is making us look unprofessional and, ironically, the playing field isn’t quite level now.'”
I don’t understand why jockeys would share their riding plans with each other, the exception being if the same stable or owner were involved.
I would have thought giving away your race strategy in advance was unwise.
Maybe it is a game of red herrings and you use your understanding of each jockey to know whether it is a game plan or just a game.
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Agree Marlingford.
Well, I can see why jockeys would occasionally discuss race tactics, e.g. when there are a lot of horses who like to front run / race prominently. To lessen the chance of their own mount taking too much of a hold. But I’d have thought it unusual.Saying she’s missing out on that type of talk seems more like an excuse for not winning.
Or maybe wants to keep in with “the boys”, so (she believes) is less likely to get as much “banta” from them.
Value Is EverythingI would imagine it is basic information such as who wants to go on or be careful my horse veers left at an obstacle. These I would consider horse and rider safety issues. Not sure why most of that could not be gleaned from the form book with homework and confirmed prior to the race purely by asking outside of that 5 minute window. Having good professional relations with fellow riders would allow that.
Maybe we put them all in changing cubicles like at swimming and then release them straight into the paddock so they cannot talk and no one gets any advantage.
I fully agree with Marlingford. Why would you have to tell the trainer and owner how the race is going to unfold? And if they don’t like they way you describe it, what’s going to happen next? Will the horse be withdrawn or will the jockeys have another chat before going back to the horse’s connections?
No way racing works exactly like that and I’m quite sure the same applies to a 800m or 5,000m Olympic final or any kind of athletics race. Punters won’t be happy to find out any jockey telling the rest “I’ll sit at the back and we’ll quicken off the fast pace you’re setting in front. Thanks for help!”.
Maybe there is a discussion when jumping the GN fences about whether you like to be on the inside or outside at Bechers or Foinavon, you might also tell your fellow jockeys that your mount has a tendency to jump right or left. But why would you do even that? It’s nice to have someone on your outside to prevent you horse from veering. Don’t tell them all your secrets, in fact don’t tell them any secrets or tactics at all….
“I don’t understand why jockeys would share their riding plans with each other”.
Some jokes write themselves…
I think it is probably more passing superficial comments about the early part of a race…like one will say to the other “I am probably going to be sitting handy if there is no early pace” etc.
But then if the jockey(s) have done their homework i.e. reading the form of the race beforehand then you are more than likely going to have a pretty good general idea of how most of the horses (or at least those you consider your main dangers in the race) are going to be ridden anyway.
And as we all know, plans (whether divulged or not) can literally go out the window before the first obstacles has even been jumped.
I thought jockeys used to ask each other at the start who was going to make the running.
Nonsense from Pinchin.
Wasn’t she one of the female jocks who signed that statement in defence of Dunne?
She’s 29 rides and 56 days without a winner and has two rides at Newbury. One of them is at around 50/1 in the BF hurdle for Willie and the other one at 11/1 in the bumper for Nicholls.
Just one single ride on Sunday for her father.Bryony really is in a struggle, doesn’t get any winners, picks up fewer rides, most of them of lesser quality.
And Roman Roy is now a non runner!!
Bryony was down to ride for Chris Gordon in the first but has been replaced by Rex Dingle. I’m assuming he was due to be at Warwick. Gordon is one of the few trainers to make use of her services these days.
Chris Gordon imo has two excellent claimers at his disposal in the shape of his son Freddie, just about the only Point jockey I ever saw get a tune out of that villain Captain Buck’s and simply inspired on Annual Victis in the Great Yorkshire on Town Moor at Doncaster and the currently sidelined with injury Molly Landau, so that avenue might soon be closed too.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Lilly Pinchin, Britain’s leading female jockey over jumps this season, says the new changing room configurations to prevent the sexes having to mix at racecourses is putting female riders at a big tactical disadvantage.”
Recently I’ve been watching some racing from Australia and there seem to be a fair proportion of female jockeys racing at the various courses, how do they manage there?
I’ve just looked at the entries at one meeting and in the first four races there are 22 jockeys riding and…………12 of them are female.
Perhaps the guys should complain because they are at a tactical disadvantage.
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