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Pipedreamer is a miler mate. I’ve been saying this since the Juddamonte.
Thats the 3rd time he’s faded in the final quater of a mile now. It’s not fitness he HAS to drop down to a mile. He’ll have his day in the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood.
:Pipedreamer just isn’t a gp1 horse, plain and simply.
For those who think he”d be better at 1m, I’d suggest they look at the record of Cambridgeshire winners past; horses that subsequently proved better at 1m than further are thin enough on the ground to be almost non-existent.RH, Trends or no trends I’m trying to work out how youve come to the conlusion that Pipedreamer is not a Grp1 horse before he’s even run over a trip that he is so obviously crying out for.
If he gets beaten over a mile fair and square then I’ll hold my hands up and admit I’m wrong but I’m certain that he looks like he’ll be a very good miler.
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As I’ve tried to point out so many times before; always trust the trainer – particularly those at the top of the game.
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As I’ve tried to point out so many times before; always trust the trainer – particularly those at the top of the game.
Absolutely, and I normally do. Don’t get me wrong I’m not one to normal criticise trainers for their placings (Gosden placing Ravens Pass to win the BCC was a brilliant move) but I have really strong views that Pipedreamer will do the milers job really well.
I think JG might agree too considering he’s given him an entry in the Sussex Stakes.
The Queen Anne looks like such a poor race this year that they might as well stick Pipedreamer in it. Cesare could win it on his seasonal debut, that’s how bad it is. Why on earth has Goldikova been taken out.
Zarkava, come back! In-foal or not in-foal, it’s irrelevant. You could bring a beach towel, lie down in the Silver Ring for a minute, get a bit of sun on your back and still win by 3f.
Cima Du Triomphe is the one for me here, with bells on. Cant have conduit at this distance, remembering that he didnt have the speed for last years King Edward. Not gd-fm this time but 2f shorter, in more competetive grade, I’ll give him a swerve..
Was well happy with that result. Conduit ran better than expected but the result worked out as I wanted.
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I’m a bit of a Pipedreamer fan but a Group 1 horse over a mile? It would have to be a fairly ordinary Group 1 for him to win. These younger horse like Mastercraftsman and Sea the Stars go some gallop and I doubt if that would suit Pipedreamer as much as a steady pace in a 1m2f race.
I would imagine Gosden will persevere with him over 10f and probably go for the PoW next at Ascot like he did last year. He finished 3rd to DOM last year.
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Fist, i will answer you with the response your opinion deserves! You suggest Conduit is 10lb better than Tartan on tonights performance, fair enough if thats how you read a race, Personally i look at the bigger picture and what i saw was an under performing Pipedreamer, but i wont assess the race through him! I reckon there is nothing between Tartan and Conduit
and would give them a joint rating of 123, Tartan is a 11/2m horse, Conduit
wants further in my opinion, but a year ago both horses ran on Derby day
one off a mark of (85 conduit) the other off (115 Tartan) Over a true run 11/2m Tartan would have too much speed for Conduit! but will they ever meet? Dont think for 1 minute Conduit is anywhere near a 10lb better horse than this years King George winner!!Boy are you in for a surprise!!!! I was on Skype last night and a friend with a connection at Stoute’s told me to tell you……..rubbish!!!! but as I am not a bad guy here’s an AP bet from the real King
My cash and plenty of it is on already at 14/1 12/1 10/1 and I even accepted 8/1. so there’s no harm in letting you in on it.
I advice you and everyone else on here to get on with anyone you can.
The name of the horse is Conduit and the race is the Coral Eclipse.
Pipedreamer ? Well named.
Nothing will convince me that Conduit did not win that race – no, not even the photographic evidence.
I was slightly surprised to see him ridden up with the pace, given the way he is normally ridden.
Cumani’s colt ran well, but I think that if and when he faces Conduit again, the Stoute trained colt will definitely turn the tables.
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Felt for you Reet, was sure he had won. Top class reappearance giving away the weight. Would still be leaning more towards King George than Eclipse with him though m’self- we know he stays so well.
Felt for you Reet, was sure he had won. Top class reappearance giving away the weight. Would still be leaning more towards King George than Eclipse with him though m’self- we know he stays so well.
Definitely, dont think 1m2f is really his trip as much as 1m4f, but on that performance he’d be a cracking contender for the International at york, wouldnt actually mind getting a price on Campanologist for the King George in the event that it comes up gd-fm, which it often enough does, think he’d be a cracking e/w.
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Listen to Fist’s advice – Conduit ran at Sandown for a reason.
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As I’ve tried to point out so many times before; always trust the trainer – particularly those at the top of the game.
Is this the trainer who didn’t reckon the best horse of last season would stay a mile until over half way through the season, who was a July cup possible and ended up going for the Breeders Cup Classic?
I am a fan of Gosden, but to suggest he (& other top trainers) should not be questioned in terms of their opinions of their horses is madness.
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As I said earlier John Gosden is likely to persevere with Pipedreamer and is most likely going to take on Tartan Bearer again in the 450,000 quid Prince of Wales 1m2f. He almost beat him at Sandown and he was only beaten just under 2 lengths yesterday so why on earth not? You would think the horse had finished stone last.
If he doesn’t win he has him in at Goodwood for the Sussex Stakes over a mile anyway. Those who say that’s his trip may well get their chance to see him run over it….and get his ass kicked into touch.
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Is this the trainer who didn’t reckon the best horse of last season would stay a mile until over half way through the season, who was a July cup possible and ended up going for the Breeders Cup Classic?
I am a fan of Gosden, but to suggest he (& other top trainers) should not be questioned in terms of their opinions of their horses is madness.
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Isn’t the whole 3yo pattern based on gradually increasing distances throughout the second season as a horse matures, so is it fair to question an opinion held in the spring against a race run in October?
!’m not suggesting trainers always get it right, what I am saying is it is rare for trainers such as M Stoute & J Gosden not to know their charges, certainly not nearly as often as racing forum pundits seem to think.still dont know what to make of Pipedreamer. Is it significant that his two wins have been when he has been sent on and not had to really battle?. Does he get worried out of it a little? Im not at all convinced its a stamina issue at all and as Fist says, the mile division would be perhaps too competitive anyway
Also, a couple of Gosdens ran below expectations last night, although arguably those self same expectations were very speculative anyway
Fist, i will answer you with the response your opinion deserves! You suggest Conduit is 10lb better than Tartan on tonights performance, fair enough if thats how you read a race, Personally i look at the bigger picture and what i saw was an under performing Pipedreamer, but i wont assess the race through him! I reckon there is nothing between Tartan and Conduit
and would give them a joint rating of 123, Tartan is a 11/2m horse, Conduit
wants further in my opinion, but a year ago both horses ran on Derby day
one off a mark of (85 conduit) the other off (115 Tartan) Over a true run 11/2m Tartan would have too much speed for Conduit! but will they ever meet? Dont think for 1 minute Conduit is anywhere near a 10lb better horse than this years King George winner!!Boy are you in for a surprise!!!! I was on Skype last night and a friend with a connection at Stoute’s told me to tell you……..rubbish!!!! but as I am not a bad guy here’s an AP bet from the real King
My cash and plenty of it is on already at 14/1 12/1 10/1 and I even accepted 8/1. so there’s no harm in letting you in on it.
I advice you and everyone else on here to get on with anyone you can.
The name of the horse is Conduit and the race is the Coral Eclipse.
Really, i wonder who that could have been! he actually told you to tell me
personally did he? What i will say is I"m glad to hear you are putting your money where your mouth is! Good luck with that!
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