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You said it yourself – [if] "he has given the horse the best possible ride without winning, then what is wrong with that?"
Apart from the fact that he’s forbidden to tell his family to lay the beast, everything hinges on that magic "if", which I added to your quote myself I admit.
Opinion and information have to be taken to be the same thing because otherwise any jockey would be able to say he was simply passing on an opinion, even though that opinion was based on information that no-one else had access to (such as the horse carrying an injury or being run to lower a handicap mark).
Jockeys are allowed to pass on information in certain circumstances, outlined in the rules, including as part of media work. And perhaps the odd slip to a family member about one horse once in a while might be tolerated. But 37 times over a 7 month period? And then to lie about it to the investigators?
Many of us in our working lives have access to sensitive information and would expect to be punished if we passed it on to family and friends. If I did that, I’d been breaking the law and would face criminal charges. The rules of racing are clear, the onus is on the jockey or the person in such a position to exercise judgment and if in doubt, to keep their gobs shut. It isn’t difficult. Alternatively, if they don’t like the rules, go and do something else.
Mikky…
The point is:
If a jockey (and connections) are sure (absolutely certain) a horse won’t win, even if it’s favourite, wouldn’t it be helpful to tell all and sundry to lay, rather than a favoured few?
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Trust me Mikky, Culhane ain’t whiter than white in any way, shape or form. I’m not talking about solely passing on information either.
I’m aware of what goes on in racing also, having witnessed a lot of it for quite a few years.
Trust me SL, Prince Philip is gay.
Can’t give you any reason, but having been straight myself, I have witnessed a lot of what goes on for quite a few years.
Either put some meat on the bones, or stick your silly innuendo where the sun don’t shine!
They got off lightly compared to Chris Munce in Hong Kong – he got 2 1/2 years in jail. (He’s still there!)
He was allegedly passing info for bets.reet hard, you can’t honestly expect SL to post the details on a public forum. If you can’t read between the lines then you have a problem. I can easily see where SL is coming from and I’m sure the HRA had evidence of more serious actions but not sufficient to secure a prosecution.
We should all be thankful the Scotney is having success where his predecessor did not. Let’s hope this continues and some jockeys are jailed for their actions.
I have suffered first hand as a result of a prominent jockey not trying on a horse I owned a half share in and know of a number of others still active.
reet hard, you can’t honestly expect SL to post the details on a public forum. If you can’t read between the lines then you have a problem. I can easily see where SL is coming from and I’m sure the HRA had evidence of more serious actions but not sufficient to secure a prosecution.
We should all be thankful the Scotney is having success where his predecessor did not. Let’s hope this continues and some jockeys are jailed for their actions.
I have suffered first hand as a result of a prominent jockey not trying on a horse I owned a half share in and know of a number of others still active.
Hope you past on your info to the powers that be Wallace?
Incidently anyone know what horses were involved, would be interesting to look back on the races on ATR video archives, to see if there was any dodgy looking rides from the said jockeys. Considering that there was a huge amount of money risked £311.000 for a gain of 56 grand.
There is no need to identify other examples or prove wider more sinister misdemeanours. He was found to have breached the Rules of Racing and has been punished.
Analysis of some of the races in question.
Laid horses:
Tass Heel – unplaced 9/2. Won next time out 11/4.
Prince of Gold – u/p 8/1. Won n/t/o 13/2.
Partners in Jazz – 2nd 5/4f. Won n/t/o 7/1.
Nights Cross – 2nd 5/2jf. Won n/t/o 7/4.
Bygone Days – 2nd 5/2. Won n/t/o 3/1.
Headland – u/p 9/2f (laid). Won n/t/o 6/1 (backed).
Sharp Hat – u/p 13/8f. 2nd n/t/o 6/1.
Altitude Dancer – u/p 7/2. 3rd n/t/o 10/1
Polar Kingdom – u/p 4/1. Won previous race 7/1.
Chase the Rainbow – u/p 9/2f. Won p/r 5/4f.
Barzak – u/p 11/2. Won p/r 16/1.
Zagala – 3rd 100/30f. Won p/r 5/1
Repeat – u/p 5/1. Won p/r 7/1.These five were backed:
Moyanna – won 6/4f. Only win. Previous race 2nd 2/7f.
Miskina – 2nd 6/4.
Headland – already mentioned.
Queen of Night – last 13/8f.
Polar Kingdom – 3rd 5/2f. Won the next two.D Mernagh quit racing in 2006 because he was not enjoying it much and didn’t want to do it anymore.
"…I have still got a chance to turn my life around..", he’s quoted as saying.The list above are the easy ones but there may be some errors.
Some of the others are not straightforward and I have not looked at all.
Make of it what you want.Certainly makes interesting reading Nor1, espiecially the amount of the horses that won nto.
Although this race does not come within the time frame of the races studied, I ask anyone with a spare 20p in their Racing Post account to watch the Catterick maiden last year when Kirklees got the better of Pires. Pires was the morning favourite at odds on and drited to 2/1 whilst his only realistic rival was backed as if defeat was out of the question and shortened to odds-on favouritism.
I’d be fascinated to know who was laying Pires and backing Kirklees and whilst I’m not suggesting any rider did anything wrong, it’s amazing how the well-backed winner was ridden with greater enterprise than the weak second fav.
Don’t have to re-view the race, David.
I was on Kirklees, and I have the view that the result of this race was known before the start.
Colin
What for me was interesting was the soliitor’s statement,"…There was never any allegation of failing to ride on the merits. "(re Culhane)Why deny an allagation that was never made?
dj, it is often misleading to look at a race and think it was bent based mainly on big market moves. In the race you mention I laid Pires for close to my maximum liability (£2k) based on my own stats.
You must remember there are a lot of big time players on UK racing prepared to lay a horse for £10k+ and if a few of these guys form the same opinion and really want to be against a short one, it will be a drifter.
madman marz, yes they have an open book on this case.
Wallace
If I thought the race was suspicious based purely on the market moves, I wouldn’t have suggested spending 20p to watch the video. Don’t get me wrong, I was against Pires that day, he’s a big rangy type that hadn’t handled Brighton all that well and was never going to be seen to best effect at Catterick.
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reet hard, you can’t honestly expect SL to post the details on a public forum. If you can’t read between the lines then you have a problem. I can easily see where SL is coming from and I’m sure the HRA had evidence of more serious actions but not sufficient to secure a prosecution.
We should all be thankful the Scotney is having success where his predecessor did not. Let’s hope this continues and some jockeys are jailed for their actions.
I have suffered first hand as a result of a prominent jockey not trying on a horse I owned a half share in and know of a number of others still active.
Wallace
There is a world of difference betweeen penning something libellous on a racing forum, and making repeated postings with airy-fairy insinuations, and without an iota of substance to justify them.
Regarding the corruption scandal, these are the facts to date, (From today’s RP).
Of the 12 jockeys suspended for corruption thus far, 11 have been for passing on information, with only Fran Ferris actually found guilty of stopping horses.
Of the hundreds of races and thousands of rides investigated this amounted (from memory} to only 3 or 4 horses. Read what you like between the lines, the above is a matter of record.Of the above 11 jockeys R Winston and A Culhane are both senior jockeys who would expect to ride 100+ plus winners per season. How may winning rides do you think they would get if trainers thought they were stopping horses without their knowledge?
The same applies to ‘passing on inside information’; just what do you suppose that information is, and where did the jockeys get it from in the first place?
Is it a number of jockeys taking it into own their heads to stop horses arbitrarily, or is it simply them knowing when a horse is ‘off’ or ‘not off’, for whatever reason?
If it is, as seems much more likely, the second reason, then Scotney has achieved nothing more than creating a smoke screen, and never will until a few of the real culprits are brought to account, which the HRA has neither the wit nor intention of so doing.
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