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Just listening to ATR and they are breaking news that more jockeys have been banned, including Tony Culhane (for 12 months), in relation to the race fixing investigations.
Don’t know full details yet but I am sure it will be on the RP website and such places very soon.
Mike
It appears that both Tony Culhane (12 months) and Dean Mernagh (9 months) have been suspended from race riding for (in Culhanes case) "aiding or abetting individuals to lay or back horses with the benefit of information" and (in Mernagh’s case) "breach of rule 243, which was for communicating inside information to certain parties for gain of some form of reward".
I must stress that neither jockey has been suspended for fixing races.
Mike
it really does make one wonder what revelations will out when the big fish enters the frying pan, if the small fry are just being summarily discarded for a year or so, here and there ….
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The full article is on the RP website now.
I still find it hard to believe that a jockey of Culhane’s standing can have his whole career threatened for doing no more than jockeys have done for centuries.
There is no question of any dishonesty in his actions, yet it is still seen as a victory for racing’s integrity? If racing had real integrity, these guys would have nothing to pass on in the first place.The full article is on the RP website now.
I still find it hard to believe that a jockey of Culhane’s standing can have his whole career threatened for doing no more than jockeys have done for centuries.
There is no question of any dishonesty in his actions, yet it is still seen as a victory for racing’s integrity? If racing had real integrity, these guys would have nothing to pass on in the first place.I really couldn’t agree more to be honest. When I read the full article I was thinking to myself, "well what’s he done". He is a jockey and he has passed info to his family and friends more likely regarding the chances of his rides. Does this mean that when ATR interview a jockey on the ‘Geton’ show and the jockey thinks that he will win on such and such a horse, this is then passing on information? Where do you draw the line?
Hang on fellas, that is what he claims he has done. Twelve months is getting off exceptionally lightly for Culhane, he is damn lucky to only have got that. Twelve months is a disgrace IMO, he should have got three years minimum.
Hang on fellas, that is what he claims he has done. Twelve months is getting off exceptionally lightly for Culhane, he is damn lucky to only have got that. Twelve months is a disgrace IMO, he should have got three years minimum.
What should he have got 3 years for?
What do you know that I don’t?
Need I start?? Not sure what I can get away with as far as libellous postings go so can’t be as to the point as I would like to be but needless to say Culhane couldn’t lay straight in bed. Only passing on information to his family for no reward? Do me a bloody favour – do we all look completely stupid??
Need I start?? Not sure what I can get away with as far as libellous postings go so can’t be as to the point as I would like to be but needless to say Culhane couldn’t lay straight in bed. Only passing on information to his family for no reward? Do me a bloody favour – do we all look completely stupid??
That’s fair enough if you know something we or I don’t.
But if he has been given a 12 month suspension for giving information to his family then why is that so bad?
It’s pointless having this conversation because we don’t know what info he has passed on, but all I am saying if his information is to say that he thinks so and so will win then is that really bad. If he has been banned for something else as then why the hell don’t they come out and tell us exactly what he has been banned for instead of letting people speculate.
I know a jockey who got told he must not win on a horse because the price was too big and the connections couldn’t get enough money on without it looking suspicious. He was an apprentice at the time and he was told that if he didn’t ‘stop’ the horse he would never ride for the stable again. Imagine being told that as a young apprentice trying to make your way in the game. Needless to say, he stopped the horse and it then bolted up next time when the money was down.
What I am trying to say here is that it’s often the connections who know exactly what the horse is capable off and it’s often them who can start of the ‘passing of info’, and not always the jockeys.
Trust me Mikky, Culhane ain’t whiter than white in any way, shape or form. I’m not talking about solely passing on information either.
I’m aware of what goes on in racing also, having witnessed a lot of it for quite a few years.
I’m with the Shadow on this one, I’ve been on the wrong end of more than one dubious (in my opinion) Culhane ride in my time.
I’m with the Shadow on this one, I’ve been on the wrong end of more than one dubious (in my opinion) Culhane ride in my time.
Just more than one lol. Yes I have been on the back end of some very dodgy Culhane rides, but as I don’t know the guy personally or know anyone who knows him, then I guess I am just going by what is printed on why he has been suspended. A guess that’s a bit naive of me with knowing what actually goes on.
Mike
With the proviso that I have no idea if ‘the punishment fits the crime’ not being privy to what Culhane and Mernagh actually did, only what’s been reported, I agree with the bans if only for the reason they will hopefully put the fear of god up their colleagues and persuade them to remain on the straight and (very) narrow.
This forum is regularly littered with puce-faced posts lambasting ‘dodgy’ rides so for chrissakes give the beleagured Mr Scotney and Co some credit for seeing what was undoubtedly a complex investigation through to a positive conclusion, rather than debate the severity of the sentence given to the two effing jockeys.
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reet hard wrote:
The full article is on the RP website now.
I still find it hard to believe that a jockey of Culhane’s standing can have his whole career threatened for doing no more than jockeys have done for centuries. There is no question of any dishonesty in his actions, yet it is still seen as a victory for racing’s integrity? If racing had real integrity, these guys would have nothing to pass on in the first place.
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I really couldn’t agree more to be honest. When I read the full article I was thinking to myself, “well what’s he done”. He is a jockey and he has passed info to his family and friends more likely regarding the chances of his rides. Does this mean that when ATR interview a jockey on the ‘Geton’ show and the jockey thinks that he will win on such and such a horse, this is then passing on information? Where do you draw the line?I despair. 32 out of the 37 horses in question were laid to lose or not be placed.
When have you ever heard a jockey on ATR or anywhere in public say:
“Trust me. This horse won’t win today even though it’s favourite. I suggest you all lay it”.reet hard wrote:
The full article is on the RP website now.
I still find it hard to believe that a jockey of Culhane’s standing can have his whole career threatened for doing no more than jockeys have done for centuries. There is no question of any dishonesty in his actions, yet it is still seen as a victory for racing’s integrity? If racing had real integrity, these guys would have nothing to pass on in the first place.
MickyMo73 repies:
I really couldn’t agree more to be honest. When I read the full article I was thinking to myself, “well what’s he done”. He is a jockey and he has passed info to his family and friends more likely regarding the chances of his rides. Does this mean that when ATR interview a jockey on the ‘Geton’ show and the jockey thinks that he will win on such and such a horse, this is then passing on information? Where do you draw the line?I despair. 32 out of the 37 horses in question were laid to lose or not be placed.
When have you ever heard a jockey on ATR or anywhere in public say:
“Trust me. This horse won’t win today even though it’s favourite. I suggest you all lay it”.The answer to your question is NEVER.
But please tell me what is wrong with Culhane telling his family that he doesnt think the horse will win so he suggests they lay the horse.
In fact, as long as Culhane rode the horse to the best possible placing (and it hasn’t been proved that he didn’t), then I will still ask what has he done wrong?
OK, judging by what people have said Culhane is upto more bad than good, but purely speaking on the reason he has been suspended, if he has told familiy and friends that he doesn’t think his horse will win, and he has given the horse the best possible ride without winning, then what is wrong with that?
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