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The first horse to die at Kilbeggan tonight. Went badly wrong in the 17:45 and couldn’t be saved. She was just a five year old with a record of 0 from 12 over hurdles with one fifth place in a hurdle race at Tipperary.
Bad mistakes, awkward jumps and hit obstacles characterized her entire hurdling career.
May she rest in peace. Hopefully every one else of the PU horses was okay. But, sadly another low profile meeting with multiple fatalities.
So many horses dying when racing in Ireland. So many of them have no ability & should not be seen on a racecourse. I find reading about these poor animals quite sickening. These latest fatalities reflect how bad this situation is & surely the Irish Horse Racing board need to investigate before there are others who never make it back to their stable 😥
JB, the worst part about some of them is that they’re quite well bred. But rather for Flat Racing than NH. It is depressing to see the breakdowns and as so often mentioned, only a small number of injuries are related to falls.
…………and your solution is what ERL?
While there may well be an argument that some flat bred horses do not have the constitution for jumping, butjust because a horse has reached a double digit age or is not gifted with a lot of talent should not make it ineligible to race?
Are you suggesting that an age limit be put on horses racing? What would your threshold be, hasn’t won or placed in five starts, so therefore it would then be banned?
You spout off a lot of comment in hindsight, but very little of it is of a productive nature.
Griff, with all due respect could you not just for once come onto this Thread and pay a respect to a horse that has lost it’s life without taking issue with something someone has said out of consideration for that horse and the welfare of others.
If you feel so strongly that horses should be allowed to race frequently at all ages in all weathers bearing in mind that some of them could be under bad management for syndicates or owners that lose interest once their horse has lost a few times or needs expensive vet treatment, then why not start a Thread in the Horse Racing section so that the wider community of TRF can come and comment. I”m sure it will provoke some lively and informative discussion. This is after all a Forum and discussion is welcome but Memorials is not the place.
RIP Boxcar Molly🌷
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Hk mandatory retirement turning 10 , i think its six or so unplaced Class 5 and your gone .
Australia mandatory retirement turning 12 , seen plenty warned re uncompetitive , then outed for good .
Japan , dont win a maiden by late summer 3 year old your off main circuit unless good excuse .
All three jurisdictions in great health racing race , prizemoney massive , so not crazy idea .Thanks HCMW. But, sadly we are Europeans. We need a bit longer to realize how bad things really are. It would be an insult to compare Australasia with Europe. Just look where things work out and where not.
I love that system when horses have to retrial after an injury or a few bad races, like applied in Hong Kong….
Without wishing to offend anyone, I have some sympathy with griff11. If the purpose of the Memorials section is purely to pay tribute to the horses who have sadly died, then commenters should not make statements that imply blame or causation. If someone is entitled to express a view of this kind, then someone else is entitled to express an opposing view.
Personally I think this type of discussion is fine as long as all parties are respectful and not overly combative.
Anyway, RIP Boxcar Molly
Well, if you praise Istabraq for his CH wins or mention his falls, why not do the same with a horse that was 0 from 12 so far before it died?
It’s not all about writing just positive stats, it’s more about facts, imo.
ERL, your posts sometimes contain comment and interpretation alongside the facts. I have no issue with this; it’s a forum after all.
I just think it is unfair for griff11 to be criticised for debating points in the Memorials section. There would be nothing to debate if other posters hadn’t already posted things that are likely to prompt debate.
I agree Marlingford and I did criticise griff mainly for his lack of sympathy for the horse, so why come on here anyway.. but the majority of us do have feelings that need to be expressed after the death of a racehorse as to how things could be changed to help other horses still with us and there will be those that will disagree, fair comment.
Ideally I’d like to see a separate Thread raised in the Horseracing section where these matters could be discussed with input from the TRF community which will certainly raise some interesting debate on the matter..
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Agree with both of you Jac and Marlingford. After all bad things keep happening all the time in all kind of sports. Why not discussing them in a separate section of this forum?
You took the words right out of my mouth Marlingford. If this section is an RIP to a horse then fine, but once comments, opinion and criticism are added, then it opens it up to reply.
Triptych, I have no problem with you criticizing me at any time, you are perfectly entitled to express your opinion.
As for your point regarding my lack of sympathy, I perhaps take a different view to you and certainly to some on here.
I don’t get overly emotional about horses that I haven’t seen race or know nothing about, although over the years I have had my moments with particular favourites. I don’t have the time to follow grass roots racing these days, so many of these horses are simply names.
I feel the same about people, if I look in the obituaries they are just names…….unless they are a child or have been taken at too young an age.
I most definitely don’t sit down and analyze a horses injury/death frame by frame and then openly criticize the jockey, trainer, owner, ground, crossing, time of year, age, lack of ability and so on.
Like you, I would much prefer it if no horses died, but if we are going to race horses, then fatalities are always going to happen. Although we see it on the racecourse where it’s very visible, it can quite easily happen in the relative safety of a stable or paddock (which I know you are perfectly aware of).
If I find the thought of racehorses sustaining life threatening injuries from racing too emotional and upsetting, then perhaps it should be time for me to take more interest in cricket or football. Why on earth would I subject myself to so much emotional negativity?
Thank you for your points regarding Australia, Japan and Hong Kong Helcatmudwrestler.
“All three jurisdictions in great health racing race, prizemoney massive.”
All three do seem to be in a healthy state with their racing, but my first thought with regard to an age limit was, it’s a quicker route to the slaughterhouse for many when they could happily continue racing. Some may not be blessed with ability, but they will find their grade and as long as they are happy to race, have an owner prepared to pay the bills and are well cared for, then I think they should be allowed to continue racing. What does it matter if they haven’t won in their last 10 races or they are 13 years old as long as their welfare is the top consideration?
I’m not sure what programs are in place in Australia, Japan and Hong Kong (or Middle East) for retired racehorses, or whether it’s simply the end of the road for most and Basashi the next stop.
Hopefully it’s an end that is infinitely more dignified than that horrendous place in Ireland……where I hope it’s not being swept under the carpet and conveniently disappearing from view once the media move on!!
Fair comment griff and a well structured reply.
You are right, I like many on here get attached to certain horses I just love horses in general, even my husband can’t understand it, he’s probably more like you they are just names to him, but that’s me.
A lot of us who come here to pay a respect do so because we are emotionally attached to the horse and concerned about horse welfare in general. Unlike some I cannot go back to watch re-runs of races where a horse has lost it’s life, I don’t want to analyse it the horse has died and I just want to pay a respect.
We are all different and you are perfectly entitled to have your opinion.
Let’s hope things improve in Ireland for horse welfare but it seems a long time coming.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...
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