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Has anyone considered the possibility that these so called faces backed Douvan to enable them to get a better price for UDS ?
Just a thought!
And like Joe says anyone backing any Mullins horse ante post for any race surely does so with the knowledge of Mullins not giving a monkeys about anything punters or owners think of him!!
Personally I think it is madness to back anything of his ante post and if anyone catches me doing it please take me out into a field and shoot me!!
P>S> I think Douvan will win the Champion Chase but there is no way I am having a bet on it!!
Not sure about a ‘disrepute’ charge for Walsh…my reading of the comments were that Ruby was targeting how Bookmakers did their job and not as any sort of advice or guidance to punters. “You don’t know what you’re doing!” sort of chant from Walsh. Definitely with a bit of needle in it for UK bookies.
As for ante post in general it is certainly true that Mullins approach makes things much more difficult for ante post players but any claims that he has killed the discipline by his actions are reactionary nonsense. UK and Irish Bookmakers have systematically done that over the last 6 years whilst blithely still enjoying the same PR benefits.
Arguably, and hugely ironically, the new ‘non-ante post age’ is even better for Bookmakers as the worst the price they quote the more PR they receive. More coverage less risk, less punters money tied up for weeks or months.
The key players for change here are the Media and it looks like the penny is starting to drop on the automatic price quotes. It is ridiculous that a ATR or RUK subscriber would need a PR Rep for information on prices in this day and age and outside of ‘paid for’, ‘powered by’ coverage there are signs that some broadcasters are bypassing this highway of disinformation.Walsh is a great jockey but is as likeable as his old man who is in turn as charming as an unflushed toilet
Agree with a lot of what has been said here but surely it has to be acknowledged, especially with the Valseur lido comments, that the gigginstown/mullins fall out was a big personality clash. They cant stand each other
Not sure about a ‘disrepute’ charge for Walsh…my reading of the comments were that Ruby was targeting how Bookmakers did their job and not as any sort of advice or guidance to punters. “You don’t know what you’re doing!” sort of chant from Walsh. Definitely with a bit of needle in it for UK bookies.
Then he’s an idiot.
Of course it was not “advice or guidance”, but the 5/1 is only a good ante-post price if it has a good chance of running… And this was only a few days before the race. I know it’s a case of buyer beware, but some punters would have acted on Ruby’s words. Bookmakers have their spies, Boylesports spy is particulrly well connected when it comes to Douvan.
Fact is ante-post prices are just as much about the chance of running as chance of winning if it does run. Bookies information was that Douvan wasn’t going well enough at home to run in the Tingle Creek, otherwise they would not have offered 5/1 Douvan for Sandown when he’s odds-on for the Champion Chase in March. Ruby’s words only made him look stupid. Bookmakers apparently knew more about the Mullins yard than the stable jockey. After the race Mullins (in his own words) confirmed the bookies were correct. Ruby is a jockey, he doesn’t understand odds – at least I hope not otherwise it’s difficult to understand his motives.Value Is EverythingRR Not so sure that supporters of Vautour for the 2016 Gold Cup or Valseur Lido for the Ryanair (one and the same in quite a few cases, I’d imagine) would happily accept that their post-race assessments were ‘reactionary nonsense’.
I don’t think anyone has claimed that Mullins has fatally wounded antepost betting in general, but he’s damaged the festival markets badly and will continue doing so. His actions in the past year have been terminal for his own horses as far as antepost prospects go. If being Vautoured left any believers, I suspect being Douvaned has wiped them out.
Fact is ante-post prices are just as much about the chance of running as chance of winning if it does run. Bookies information was that Douvan wasn’t going well enough at home to run in the Tingle Creek, otherwise they would not have offered 5/1 Douvan for Sandown when he’s odds-on for the Champion Chase in March. Ruby’s words only made him look stupid. Bookmakers apparently knew more about the Mullins yard than the stable jockey. After the race Mullins (in his own words) confirmed the bookies were correct. Ruby is a jockey, he doesn’t understand odds – at least I hope not otherwise it’s difficult to understand his motives.
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