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Incidentally Red Rum was the best horse in the world when he raced.
Really?
Value Is EverythingJust like my feelings about Zenyatta.An event, A thrill of a lifetime,a mood elevator.A feeling of being in the presence of something wonderful.Puts Frankel in the bottom box.
What a hypocrite Andyod. You criticise Sir Henry for not upping Frankel in trip / taking on the top middle distance horses. Yet Zenyatta ran in so many races against vastly inferior opposition. Only taking on the best twice… Beat Gio Ponti a length and Twice Over beaten 2 1/4 lengths. For sure they were "Group/Grade 1 animals", but they were not real top top class. Both Twice Over and Gio Ponti had to give the female 3 lbs and aren’t as good as Excelebration.
Zenyatta also got beaten the other time she took on Grade 1 males.
Zenyatta wasn’t even rated the best of her sex one year, with Rachel Alexandra taking top honours.Zenyatta was a top class mare. But her ability (how good she actually was) exaggerated by some people. Unbeaten run only possible because she took on inferior opposition. Frankel has taken on all-comers at a mile.
Unlike Zenyatta who was kept to her own sex for most of her career… ANY top class horse can take on Frankel in in ANY race he runs in.
For sure it would be nice to see Frankel run at 10 furlongs, but Frankel has already proved just how good he is.
Value Is EverythingBullShit stirrer,maybe, but there is no room for hypocracy in this business, every dog must hunt somewhere.Nobody is under oath as far as I know.If everybody spoke their mind they would say "I honestly don’t know"or more likely "I believe that Frankel may possibly be the best ever but I cannot prove it" and go back to their newspaper.
BullShit stirrer,maybe, but there is no room for hypocracy in this business, every dog must hunt somewhere.Nobody is under oath as far as I know.If everybody spoke their mind they would say "I honestly don’t know"or more likely "I believe that Frankel may possibly be the best ever but I cannot prove it" and go back to their newspaper.
Can he not be the best miler ever?
BullShit stirrer,maybe, but there is no room for hypocracy in this business, every dog must hunt somewhere.Nobody is under oath as far as I know.If everybody spoke their mind they would say "I honestly don’t know"or more likely "I believe that Frankel may possibly be the best ever but I cannot prove it" and go back to their newspaper.
What illiterate nonsense this is.
Various posters have given fundamentally sound logic and reasoning to your illogical ramblings, to which your retort is basically "I’m allowed to have my opinion". Yes, you are, but such statements do not justify stupidity.
As if speaking your mind, or being different, makes ones opinion more valid or correct.
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The above is a link to the Armchair Jockeys chat on the sporting life website. Some very interesting comments on the "Frankel stepping up in trip" debate from the wonderful Lydia and Super Steve. So much sense talked imo.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
The above is a link to the Armchair Jockeys chat on the sporting life website. Some very interesting comments on the "Frankel stepping up in trip" debate from the wonderful Lydia and Super Steve. So much sense talked imo.
No more sense than we speak on here Joni!
I thought Lydia was slightly contrary in her comments,She wants to see ‘Frankel’ step up in trip in order to prove his ‘Greatness’ as durability is prerequisite to such an accolade,cant fault her there but to suggest the ‘Juddmonte’ would be somehow Manufactured to suit a clash between ‘Camelot’ and ‘Frankel’ seems odd as it would prove a logical challenge for both horses natural progression.I’m pleased though that like all good judges Lydia recognises that ‘Frankel’ has to step up in trip to be accepted as more than just a Miler!BullShit stirrer,maybe, but there is no room for hypocracy in this business, every dog must hunt somewhere.Nobody is under oath as far as I know.If everybody spoke their mind they would say "I honestly don’t know"or more likely "I believe that Frankel may possibly be the best ever but I cannot prove it" and go back to their newspaper.
Of course it is all "opinion", but some of us like to explain our opinions.You criticise both Sir Henry and Frankel for taking on inferior rivals… And yet you come up with a horse who took on inferior rivals most of her life, in races which were not open to all.
Please explain your thinking Andyod. Because at the moment it seems you’re criticising Sir Henry / Frankel in thread after thread, just because they are who they are. ie A well spoken English gent and a British racehorse.
Value Is EverythingThink they should have stepped Frankel up in trip. Has nothing to prove at a mile, has beaten the usual suspects it faces at Ascot again and it’s a ‘ safe ‘ entry.
Thought you would all like to know …
Horse & Country – Sky 280
7.30pm Black Caviar – Set Before A Queen
10.30pm Australian Story – Black CaviarI’ll give them a look <!– s:) –>
<!– s:) –>Brilliant thanks for notifying wouldn’t have known other wise, can some body get it up on youtube? cheers
Just caught the last 15 mins of the second one as i was watching the boxing. I notice that they didn’t actually show the Ascot race, just talked about the result a little bit. "the greatest racehorse in the world" hmmmmm ever heard of a horse called Frankel??
Also there is the owners on the doc, saying they came to Royal Ascot because they felt it was the pinnacle for Black Caviar, No mention of just getting home.
Yes she is a wonderful horse, but to call her the greatest horse in the world is simply a matter of incorrect fact. Definitely greatest mare mind.
I thought they might mention a potential head to head with the overall greatest horse in the world. But both docs seemed to be a schmaltzy exercise in self appreciation. There was no footage of her
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meeting the Queen either, despite the title of the segment, and a few secs of the race itself.
Not exactly disappointing, but a very exorbitant exercise in applauding one’s self and snipping out the not so comfy bits.News on twitter that trainer Peter Moody has apparently informed the crowd at the Queensland Racing Awards that he rang has wife and said he was going to scratch Black Caviar on the eve of the Golden Jubilee Stakes at Royal Ascot. He suggested that he knew she wasn’t right going into the Saturday morning.
He says that now? Would they really have run her and risked the unknown if she wasn’t ok? Don’t bye it.
If that was his intention, then it would have been the fear of losing her 100% record in front of the poms rather than any physical or mental deficiency in the mare. Let’s not forget that only a few days prior to the race, Peter Moody was telling the whole world how he’d never had Black Caviar in better condition.
I think maybe his bottle was beginning to crash the closer the race got.
He cannot let it rest because he needs all the excuses he can muster in order to explain away the less than brilliant performance we were promised.
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