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- May 13, 2011 at 22:46 #355330
Yes, I do have lots of times when I get 12 losers on the trot but that loss of 24pts is only a fraction of what I win…. if you look at the stuff I’ve posted "live" on here, I am 52pts up at the last count, if this losing run that I am presently on stretches to 12, I will only lose 24pts which still gives me a 28pt profit….. I can afford a run of 12 without tears, in fact, I can afford a run of 24 losers without any tears cos I would still have a 4pt profit…. so I see no need to prove the method because I’m showing you it in action "live"….. my results are not exceptional, in fact, by my standards they are crap…. I was doing far better before I started posting on here, but nevertheless, we’ll keep on a while longer, if it’s only to prove a point….. my main concern is that some members really don’t understand what the staircase method entails because it is my own method…. it was originally called "The Escalator", but I modified it and revamped it as "The Staircase"….. let nobody kid you guys, whatever you may have read anywhere, this name and idea was put forward way back in about 2001 when I first joined TRF, there was no such thing as a Staircase much before that, the same thing with "rolling doubles", a lot of punters think that’s also something new, but go back in the archives, way back to 2001 and you will see little old MrE pushing this "rolling double" staking also…. the old members called it "Merds" because it stood for MrE’s Rolling Doubles…… I only mention this, not for trumpet blowing, but to show you that it works and that everybody is now aware of this type of staking…. so have no worries concerning the "staircase", it’s a working staking method….. now, in saying that, lets try to point members on how it works (or should work) in this instance…..
For Billy’s records, the average price is 6.00 (5/1)….. I have records for a complete 2 months (since March 14th) and can confirm that there has been NO runs of 12 losers consecutively during that period….. in saying that, my monetary records of 12 months show 8 losing runs that lost me 24pts, so they do exist and you should expect them at any time… I have had 3 months in succession of being in deficit but I dont think it was all to do with this selection method (I use other selection methods too)…. but you can see from the above that I am very happy with the profit that I’m making…. I beat level stakes hands down…. there maybe better staking plans but I haven’t found ’em yet…… so for the guys that are still unsure on the workings of the staircase in this selection method, it is as follows….
The stakes are as stated…. 111122223333….. if a winning bet doesn’t put you in profit, you continue at the same level, you only drop back down to 1pt again if you have made enough profit to have cleared your debt…. if your still in deficit, YOU STAY ON THE SAME LEVEL…… so, assume that you have a losing sequence of 8, you have lost 11112222 a total of 12pts lost thus far….. your next bet WINS at 3/1….. you would have 3pts on at 3/1 returning a profit of 9pts….. not enough to recoup the 12pt lost, so you next bets are at the 3pt level….. but had that selection WON at 5/1, you would have returned a profit of 15pts which is well above the 12pts that you have already lost and you start the sequence again at 1pt…..
If you continued through the previous sequence ( where you only won 9pts), you continue that sequence through to the bitter end…. you should have another winner that will pull you clear, but if you don’t, and you lose the remaining 12pts, you have still lost only 24pts minus the 9pts that you’ve won during the sequence, so it ends in a 15pt loss overall, now that’s not too painful is it…..
I hope that I’ve explained this to everybody’s satisfaction because I think I’m slightly wizzed now….. I’ve gotta stop drinking this wine stuff when I’m trying to make sense….. phewwwww!!!!…. g’nite guys…… from a slightly pissed MrE….

MrE
May 14, 2011 at 08:31 #355358Brilliant stuff
MrE
Oh boy did we miss you when you decided to take a sabbatical, here’s hoping you hang around for longer this time.

Billy's Outback Shack
May 14, 2011 at 11:42 #355394I could only find one bet for Bully’s fund today….. after all these losers, I think I’m running scared….

6.35… RONINSKI…. Ventura Sands….
MrE
May 15, 2011 at 04:18 #355506[b:37k3cq83]MrE[/color:37k3cq83][/size:37k3cq83][/b:37k3cq83]
Your staking plan is similar to one I came across a few years ago namely……..
If you can get your selections to a point where they do not run into horror losing streaks, the following plan will be most useful. If, over a period of years, it has become apparent that your winners fall in a certain price bracket, and that you can, say, pick one winner in five, at an average of 4/1 or better, then you simply have to be a candidate for this progression approach.
There is a simple step-by-step staking plan, and you should never get into too much strife. The recommended staking steps are as follows: 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-6.
This means a total outlay of 26 units over 10 bets. If you have five bets a week, that’s two weeks’ action. Each loser takes you onto the next stage in the progression, but if you strike a winner and a profit is shown then you rule off and start a new series.
At the various stages of this progression plan, a win would return 400%, 250%, 66%, 25%, 40%, 25%, 36%, 33%, 25% and finally 15%.
If you strike a winner at less than 4/1, you simply keep going with the sequence, unless, of course, you find yourself in profit, in which case you end the series.
May 15, 2011 at 12:46 #355535Discretedata….. yep, that looks pretty good too and there’s no reason why anybody cant use that….. although the total risks are about the same, I dont feel comfortable with the idea that I’m staking 6pts today on a selection that I was only staking 1pt on yesterday….. I’ve raised mine from 1pt to 3pts, that’s about the limit to which I feel happy with….. it’s just a personal thing though, there’s nothing much wrong with the thought process behind that one either…. thanks for posting it….

MrE
May 15, 2011 at 12:50 #355536I can feel the pain right down to Matron’s playthings….. let’s try these today….. anything for a laugh…..
3.10… CLOUDS END…. Azzurra Du Caprio….
4.10… JONNY LESTERS HAIR…. Oneofapear….
ALL lost again….
Rubbish, utter rubbish….. but you gotta have the bad times so that the good times taste better….
I’ll update this lot tonight…..MrE
May 15, 2011 at 21:49 #355613Guys, I’ll leave the updates until tomorrow night….. we have tomorrow’s selections to complete our series of bets so we may as well let those ride before we take stock…..

MrE
May 16, 2011 at 11:11 #3556562.50… ALLDUNNANDUSTED…. She’s On The Case….
7.30… PELHAM CRESCENT…. Roberto Pegasus….
Jeeeez!!!…. what a load of poo…… 3 more losers and a n/runner….

MrE
May 16, 2011 at 20:54 #355739Hmmm
I go away for one weekend to bring one small hat back from their hard working edukashional akadami & Pandora is unleashed
Not for me to mention the age of some forumites round here but should the staking system have a new name ?
STANNAH ?
Sounds feasible Mr E
Looks like it is geared up to an approx 5/1 selection system
4 x 1, 4 x 2 etc
So in theory if you backed only 10/1 selections the steps up the stairs could be longer ? 111111111122222222223333333333 ?Could it work on low priced nags ? Doubt it ?
Also based on your pick the gees, back em & then be Mrs E’s obedient servant for the rest of the day it looks like more of a one a day selection system – ?
As you would never know what to do for the next "step"
Unless you got the pet bot of yours to do the biz for you
eg Ive got a winner – stick to phase 1
oops ive backed 4 duffers – move on to phase 2 etcHope ive grasped it & will try some experiments of me own
Cheerz for the info
HatterMay 17, 2011 at 09:23 #355779G’day, g’day
MrE
.
It looks as if the jolly old staircase is proving a tad more popular than those selections of yours.

Anyway, if I am reading old
Hatter
correctly, not an easy task at the best of times but of late he sounds as if
Matron
has been giving him some of the "funny stuff".
Forgive me I digress, but as I say it sounds as if he is giving it a bit of a whirl and getting up where the oxygen starts to thin and maybe it could explain the recent posting.
Back to my post, just to confirm as you know I am not one to rush into things and like to give all ideas and suggestions the utmost thought (tortoise and hare come to mind) and make sure I am comfortable with the concept, which I have done. Well, I decided to give it a bash and unlike
Hatter
and yourself am still on the bottom step looking upward.
Discretedata
(stupid bloody name, almost as bad as mine)
put foreward a similar plan but I am still (at this point) in favour of your one on recommendation it has been used by your good self for years and years and years and will keep you in touch as to how I progress.I am sure I speak on behalf of the vocal and non-vocal readers of Ward 7 when I thank you for you valuable input.
Billy's Outback Shack
May 17, 2011 at 09:46 #355782Yeah, when I read that missive from Hatter last night, I thought that perhaps I’d been drinking….. I read it again this morning and am still non plussed, but I’ll have another attempt after I’ve done the gg’s for today….. and that’s becoming a painful pastime of late….
The staking plan really is a good one….. nothing against Discrete’s plan either, that just appears a tad aggresive towards the later stages although the total staking is within spitting distance…. I was just a bit disappointed that it hasn’t been seen to it’s best advantage because of the lousy run that I’m going through at present, but losing runs are the norm and perhaps we will see the benefits during the next dozen bets….
And for anyone that’s interested (not that anyone should be), but the hand problem that I’m suffering with has just been diagnosed as gout…. didn’t know you could get gout in the hand…. we live and learn….

MrE
May 17, 2011 at 10:59 #355792That is painful MrE.
No doubt you have been encouraged to drink a lot more water.
Hope it subsides for you.
Regards
May 17, 2011 at 12:32 #355806Thanks Matron….. I don’t mind the hand trouble now cos I know what it is, it’s the not knowing that’s the worry….

7.10… BOLLYWOOD…. Tisfreetdream….
7.30… GOODLUKIN LUCY…. Stargazing….
BOLLYWOOD…. our long awaited winner @ 6.63…..

MrE
May 17, 2011 at 19:55 #355876

Billy's Outback Shack
May 17, 2011 at 21:07 #355892And for anyone that’s interested (not that anyone should be), but the hand problem that I’m suffering with has just been diagnosed as gout…. didn’t know you could get gout in the hand…. we live and learn….

MrE
You poor sod Mr E. Gout is a *******, I suffered with it for about 10 years now on and off, it finished my football career if you can call playing for Taunton Town reserves a career.

Anyone can get gout but it is more common in older males.
Any joint can suffer an attack and I’ve just had a really bad case of it in the hand as well. My attacks are linked to my kidney disease and since I started dialysis a little over 3 months ago attacks of gout have become far more frequent and they have now said I can take a pill every day which will completely stop it.

I’d take Matron’s advice and drink plenty of water.
Sorry for rambling on but you did mention gout.
Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
May 18, 2011 at 09:37 #355910Well, we finally grabbed our winner after 13 losers on the trot…. that was a pity it fell outside of our block of 12 bets, but it still serves the purpose of showing the Staking Plan in action…..
After losing our first lot of 24pts, we restarted again with a new % of our bank which would increase our stakes for this next dozen bets, but I can’t be bothered to keep those records going, so I’m continuing this on the same level….. at this stage, the Staking Plan would leap ahead of Level stakes….. but I want to keep this on the same level so that you can get an honest comparison…..Level Stakes…. (-8.25pts)…..
Staking Plan…. + 32pts…..
MrE
May 18, 2011 at 10:51 #3559164.30… KAI MOOK…. Lilli Palmer….
8.20… SWING BILL…. Wogan….
MrE
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