Billion’s Crutch…..

[cornholio]

Hi,
I have to say as a complete novice at this game you must have considered adding another stair or 2 to the system? or staying on the top step until you hit the winner? please forgive my ignorance on the subject, i have only just joined the forum, (after reading for some time) i feel i know you all here on ward 7. seems the right place for me

[Hatter]

Now who’s confusing who
We have a new % bank that affects staking ?
& the staking plan is about to leap ahead ?

Nice one with the Bolly btw

Think you stuck todays in with someone in mind

[billion]

I saw that too

Hatter

but thought it best not to say much and then you open that great big gob of yours

At least there was not any comment regarding the

SWING

Billy's Outback Shack

[MrE]

I must be in the middle of having a dickie fit cos I really don’t have a clue as to what you two are on about….. Yes, we’re supposed to play with a % of our bank at the end of each series of bets…. in this case it would mean that we drop our stakes for the level stakes bet and increase our stakes for the bets applicable to the Staking Plan….. but I declined because it’s work I can’t be bothered to get into…. I want to crack open a bottle of wine tonight and sit and watch the footy on telly, I would respectfully suggest that if you want to work out the staking proper, please be my guest….. our 24pt loss target is supposed to be 25% of our working bank (or any % that suits yourself)….. you don’t really want me to do the sums as well do you??…. awww, c’mon guys, please….. tell me that there’s somone in this looney bin that can do the basic maths and let me watch telly……

MrE

[MrE]

Hi Cornolio, welcome to the crackpot ward….. they’ve kicked off already, but that pair of trouble makers has stopped me for a minute, so I’ll answer your question….
You have to have a stop loss on somewhere within the staking plan or else you’ll end up getting murdered when you have a long losing run, and you will get losing runs….. so it’s always a wise move to jump off the moving train before it carries you past the station that you want….. it would be crazy to continue betting in the hope of getting a winner, getting out at the right time is as important as finding the right selection method, to do anything else is just like betting blind….. hope that helps…..

MrE

[cornholio]

Hi Mr E.
Thank you for your reply, i guess my stakes are too low as i was figuring on adding 4444 5555 6666 and believe it or not 7777,
Like i said a novice Will continue to read your thread with great intrest, thanks again.
Cornholio.

[MrE]

Hi again Corn…. no mate, you can’t stake like that, it’ll end up bankrupting you….. there are ways to increase your stake, but that’s not the way, if you wanted to cover more selections it would be better that you kept stakes the same but lengthened the "stretch"…. that means you could bet at 111111222222333333, that would cover 18 bets, but I believe that’s too much for bets within our price ranges…… if I was doing what you wanted to do, I would rather cover 21 bets with a "Pyramid" betting sequence, which is…. 111111222223333444556….. but to be perfectly honest Corn, I think those sorts of "stretch" bets are really not the way to progress if you want to make a profit, you will need to be very careful with what staking plan you use because there is a lot of terrible plans out there…. Martingale and the Fibonacci Sequence are but two….. stick with these guys in this forum and I can’t see you going far wrong….. they are all mostly head bangers, but when Matron gives them their medication, they have been known to talk sense…..

MrE

[billion]

First of all – a belated salutation to

cornholio

sadly you must have failed the medical but with the help of all in Ward 7 you should improve soon.

Now

MrE

, the above mentioned

cornholio

has had the temerity to suggest improvement to the

staircase

and thus I have taken encouragement from such audaciousness to ask if further improvement is possible.

The staircase has 3 steps and as such each step has 4 parts. each of the 4 parts are equal.

If we take each segment i.e. 1111 should we consider the odds of the selection at this point in time.

1a) at 1/1 will return a profit of 1 point

1b) at 1/1 will not return a profit and will only break even and therefore only selections at 2/1 (or more) should be considered.

1c) a selection at 2/1 will not return a profit and again only break even and therefore selections at a price of 3/1 (or more) can only be considered.

1d) the same applies, 3/1 breaks even and so 4/1 (or more) becomes the only realistic choice to make a profit.

Step 2. 2222

2a) a 2 point stake at evens will only return 4 points and cover earlier losses without a profit and so 2/1 must be the minimum price of any selection to return a profit.

2b) must be 3/1

2c) must be 4/1

2d) therefore 5/1

Step 3. 3333

3a) to make a profit the selection must be at the minimum price of
4/1 (you will have noticed I have missed out the fractions)

3b) must be 6/1

3c) must be 7/1

4c) must be 7/1 in order to break even with a return of 24 points.

I must conclude the longer the losing run the harder it becomes to find selections which will return a profit but I do think selection prices hold the key to elevate this very good staking plan into something truly great.

Billy's Outback Shack

[MrE]

Oooohhh….. TEMERITY….. now that’s a good word Billyboy, I’ll give you a gold star for that…. mmmm….. temerity, yeah, I like it…… I think you need a visit to Matrons office cos you appear to be getting better, perhaps the medication down under is of a better quality than you get here….. nip and see Matron, I think he’s got something he wants to show you…..

MrE

[MrE]

4.15… VIVA COLONIA…. Film Festival….

6.30… DANCING WELCOME…. Adventure Story….

MrE

[billion]

Thats it, I am keeping my head down from now on, the last thing I want is

Matron

sticking even more things into me

Billy's Outback Shack

[Matron]

That’s what we like – patients, keeping their heads down.

MrE, after a bottle of vodka has his down for sometime!

Regards

[Hatter]

Bingo Billion

Deja vu !!
Go back a cple of days & that was exactly what i was trying to get across.
A 5/1 selection system would seem to suit

Yes, i do have the temerity to open my big gob. Something i learned at school or rather when i left
As kids never say anything in case they look stoopid
I’m too old to worry now

Wouldn’t want you to have a dickie fit Mr E
In case you have to visit the Matron
But it is a struggle for us spectators to follow your rules when you dripfeed them to us
Who mentioned drips ?
No problem doing the maths but need to know the formulas first
If the level of unit stakes has no major impact then why do it ?

Posh versus the cheating dons ? Need more vino

[billion]

Ah

Hatter

I think you have misinterpreted my posting but then again perhaps not.

I like the staircase staking plan very much indeed and in fact have started to use it.

I am only bringing the selection price to the fore by highlighting the minimum prices required to clear prior lost stakes.

MrE

targets his selections well above the 1/1 minimum required entry level needed to make a profit and continues to explain if any win does not clear the earlier loss the sequence should continue until either a profit is made or the sequence of 12 bets is completed.

My point being that awareness of the selections stake return may possibly be used for improvement and thus it would be hoped not having to reach stake x 3 to get there.

I have a hard time with the "math" but perhaps

Formath

‘s VDW staking plan would possibly combine with the staircase where he aims at 1 point profit per bet. It is not a million miles away from the staircase and if it possible to stake 1111 but with the possibility of 1 lost, 1 + 1 part of the selections odd, say 5/1 the stake will become 1 + 1/5 and so on this could be brilliant but I am afraid it would frazzle my brain as the sequence progressed.

Billy's Outback Shack

[cornholio]

HI
Again guys, first couple of posts for me and stirring up trouble Firstly i only mentioned increasing the stairs because of your winner at race 13 MrE, that must have been dissapointing but i bow to your greater knowledge. I have been trying your system and can happily say i am up 4 1/2 pts above level stakes, hopefully if i get a long losing run i will be strong enough to cut my losses and start at 1 pt again. You have obviously put some time into this and then you get the likes of me sticking my oar in (apologies).

Thank you for your kind welcome Billion, even if you do use words that have googling to figure out what you mean lol.

MrE, i for one am very interested in your % of bank staking too if you get the tim to post results some time i would be gratefull, but understand if it is too painful. I wont go into my aches and pains YET, perhaps i need a chat with matron sometime.

[billion]

That’s what we like – patients, keeping their heads down.

MrE, after a bottle of vodka has his down for sometime!

Regards

Billy's Outback Shack

[MrE]

Hehehe….. everyone has gotta watch their choice of words now….. Matron only gets interested when punters/clients get their heads down…. the Mad Hatter had the temerity to mention temerity…. and Billy Un has just returned from boomerang training with a new badge proclaiming that he is now a first class wanger….. I dunno what this wards coming to…. and now we’ve just had a new member that has based his name on the old Corn Hole and we happen to call ourselves "members"…… Matron must be getting a tad ecstatic over the new influx of loopies…..

MrE

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