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    #1642921
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    Justified or not, this will send shockwaves through numerous yards.

    Btw, can anyone tell me the last time a football club was backed from 14/1 to 9/4 to win a football match?

    Many are so inured to it in racing they don’t bat an eyelid, but if you sit down and think about it and what it says about the actual integrity of the “sport” of racing.

    You can’t always write it off to a sudden change in going or a dozy odds compiler making a manifest “rick.”

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    I did wonder why this horse was 9/4. He has no form at all, so I assumed there must have been a gamble.

    There is a horse backed from 14/1 to 2/1 running at Wolverhampton later. Will the BHA order that one to be withdrawn as well?

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    The trainer’s quotes are tremendous – I recommend reading them.

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    Just seen them. Not convinced some of them were wise. But I do sympathise with small stables running poor horses for terrible prize money. The attraction to lay one out for a punt is obvious.

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    “can anyone tell me the last time a football club was backed from 14/1 to 9/4 to win a football match?”

    Not many football teams deliberately hide their form, sit bottom of the table 7 from 7 defeats and lump on themselves to beat the league leaders

    I do remember pre internet or at least pre internet for myself betting on Gretna away at Derry or some Irish side in a European Cup qualifying round because I made them about 1/5 on and they were priced at 1/1 on the coupon
    My eyes lit up and I placed a £100 stake
    I was walking out the shop and checking my slip they were actually.. wait for it.. 1 to bloody 5 on
    I went back in the shop and got my money back. The female cashier said “you only just put it on” and couldn’t understand why I wanted my stake money back… :wacko:
    best thing of all was that Gretna lost 5-0.. :rose:

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    “The attraction to lay one out for a punt is obvious.”

    Not so much an “attraction” as an economic survival necessity, I’d imagine.

    “Not many football teams deliberately hide their form, sit bottom of the table 7 from 7 defeats and lump on themselves to beat the league leaders”

    And this is the parallel when you think about it in the cold light of day.

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    The only way you could really equate it to football is in the Cup competitions where the clearly superior team will often field a side devoid of most of their first team players as they feel that would be enough to beat a lower league team….it can obviously leave them with egg on their face when the opposition play above their league standing and the heavily favoured team phone it in but would people bet on that happening in the first place?

    I find these sort of ‘plans’ hard to understand why you would try it as you are talking about an animal that cannot be predicted to perform on command how connections would expect and you can’t legislate for another rival(s) stepping up above previous form, far too many variables that you have no control over…..

    Sets a very dangerous precedent, are we now saying that any horse that moves markedly in price will now be stopped from running….what about horses that go markedley out in price and what rules would/could be put in place to constitute that action being taken by authorities……very slippery slope to be looking to go down if you ask me.

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    I would have thought it was blindingly obvious the point I was making is that in other sports the probability of each outcome occurring is far more stable as other sports simply enjoy greater levels of integrity generally.

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    “Are we now saying that any horse that moves markedly in price will now be stopped from running?”

    We will find out if Lafan is allowed to take his chance in the 7pm at Wolverhampton after being backed off the boards.

    The comment about him on RTV’s site is:

    “Twelve runs since last win in 2022. 80/1 and tongue strap on for 1st time, first run since leaving John Butler when third of 9 in handicap at Lingfield (10f, AW) 45 days ago, not ideally placed. More needed.”

    By a twist of fate, the horse displaced as favourite is trained by…Sean Curran!

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    Great spot, CAS – I will watch with interest!

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    I’ve always thought the most fascinating aspect of betting on the horses is trying to work out, with no inside information, when a horse is more likely to win?

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    Moehat clearly loves trying to second-guess a plot – and let’s face it, the lady isn’t alone!

    How many punters simply say: “today mustn’t have been the day – oh, well” and move onto the next race?

    Shedloads.

    “TRF Veterans 1 Liverpool 0 (Goal: Davies 21, Red card: Hughes 22).”

    “Oh, well, the Scousers must simply have been laying themselves out for a future gamble.”

    Said no football punter ever.

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    I was referring more to the fact that in football you get more mismatches in team’s ability playing each other (i.e. lower teams playing top teams, even when both are in the same division) than you would in racing…being that the races are specifically designed for a certain similar level of horses to compete against each other.

    Yes, historically, racing is seen as a sport where participants are much more likely/able to take advantage of the ‘systems’ to put in place a gambling coup as a result of the lack of robust integrities put in place by the governing body at that time…..although to be fair they are better than they once were and I would imagine it is a fair bit hard to do now than in the past.

    Whilst not as prevalent as it has been in the past, I doubt there is a way for authorities to fully prevent people from trying it on regardless….as it is somewhat in human nature to try various methods of trying to buck the ‘system’ especially if you can earn more than a few quid from it if you pull it off.

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    Gamble landed by Laffan.

    #1642970
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    BHA must have felt rather smug and self congratulatory this afternoon, only for this to happen to make them look rather stupid for not following their own precedent set literally hours earlier.

    #1642972
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    When you bump into a gamble shortly after allegedly being denied a gamble, it’s probably not been a “Super Tuesday” for you, in fact more of a “See You Next Tuesday” of a day, tbh.

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