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Does anyone remember a time when SP was the price that ruled at the off rather than what it’s metamorphised into: a sort of subsistence level safety net that it’s too embarassing to pay less than?
I see even one of the trilaterals is offering BOG now…..or should that be bog all? Has anyone actually cashed one of these?
In fact has anyone taken a <i>value</i> top early morning price that:
a) started bigger at SP
b) proceeded to even try let alone winI’ve been perusing my records and it must be six months since that happened to me. In fact in all the time I’ve been betting value horses at BOG, I’ve made as much from double results concessions – and we know how often they happen.
The one way I found to make money out of the concession was to seek out bad value morning horses whose prices were touching on BF. I laid them on BF and backed them with £3.65. I finally gave up in consternation after three £3.65 accounts in succession, all of which were five figures in the red, were shut down. You just can’t please bookies – even when you’re deliberately seeking out bad value!
If they were bad value why didn’t you just lay them on betfair at the bad value price? Do you always need a guaranteed free lunch before you strike a bet?
Oh, I was laying them alright and, thanks to screen staring bookies, they followed my odds out.
I don’t need a free lunch but if I have a chance of softening the blow of a big red figure I’ll take it.
Have to disagree- my most recent one was Green Mile, backed at 5/2, sluiced in at a barely credible 4/1. Before that the same horse in July at a guaranteed 4/1, returned 9/2, Leslingtaylor back in Feb at 9/2 returned 5/1 and Wild Cane Ridge in January 10/3 returned 4/1.
Even those few make a decent difference to the bottom line- it’s a good concession.
Have to disagree- my most recent one was Green Mile, backed at 5/2, sluiced in at a barely credible 4/1. Before that the same horse in July at a guaranteed 4/1, returned 9/2, Leslingtaylor back in Feb at 9/2 returned 5/1 and Wild Cane Ridge in January 10/3 returned 4/1.
Even those few make a decent difference to the bottom line- it’s a good concession.
Wholeheartedly agree.
.Glenn
Can’t quite see what your problem is – it is a useful safety net – OK most times it doesn’t pay off but occasionally you can, as Carvillshill has pointed out, make a good killing.
As I see it you are taking a price to nothing – if the price shortens you still get teh price taken if it lengthens you get the better price. OK the BOG price may be shorter than elsewhere – it it is then take the price elsewhere instead of or as well.
Guaranteed Price is the best special out there, short of getting your money back if it doesn’t win!
It’s a damn sight better than backing something on Betfair at their joke early prices and see the thing drift to double the odds, or a couple of non-runners slash your odds but your horse then drifts to the price you have already backed it at.
I think it’s a good offer, personally.
I’ve asked this before Glenn: If you hate racing so much, why persevere? Just find another hobby. Or is your hobby actually moaning/conspiracy theories?
Can’t ever recall you being positive about anything on here, ever….
Oh the irony…
Glenn will frequently come on here and attack bookies for not having an opinion, not taking risks and not laying him what he wants…
Yet how does he behave when he finds a "bad value" horse?
Lays it to all and sundry win and place on Betfair, backing his own opinion (as he berates others for not doing)?
No – he waits for the price to be the same as a BPG bookmaker so he can back it with them and lay it on Betfair. Then he hopes for a freeroll if the horse drifts and wins..
No, I don’t wait for anything. My bot is laying the bad value horses as soon as the market forms – you know those prices that certain screen staring odds compilers copy
. On the rare occasions that a freeroll opportunity arises I used to take it when I had bookie accounts as an added extra.I’ve made the offer before TDK, I’ll make it again: will No Morals lay my bets if I promise never to make a bet that is arabable on BF at the time I submit? I’m prepared to bet my opinions, are you?
Can’t ever recall you being positive about anything on here, ever….
Glenn is on a crusade Benny… He thinks it’s positive..
I think it’s a good offer, personally.
I’ve asked this before Glenn: If you hate racing so much, why persevere? Just find another hobby. Or is your hobby actually moaning/conspiracy theories?
Can’t ever recall you being positive about anything on here, ever….
You assume racing is my hobby – it isn’t. Moaning about racing is my hobby.
No, I don’t wait for anything. My bot is laying the bad value horses as soon as the market forms – you know those prices that certain screen staring odds compilers copy
. On the rare occasions that a freeroll opportunity arises I used to take it when I had bookie accounts as an added extra.I’ve made the offer before TDK, I’ll make it again: will No Morals lay my bets if I promise never to make a bet that is arabable on BF at the time I submit? I’m prepared to bet my opinions, are you?
Mmm – still doesnt add up to me – someone who claims to have an opinion against a horse yet is prepared to take a neutral position on it (and then actually be with it if it drifts). You seem to use "screen starer" as some kind of insult, yet that seems to be precisely what you are….
No – as much as you like to blow your own trumpet on here, all I actually see is someone who looks to exploit loopholes in ew terms and concessions. As for your offer, I don’t recall anyone in your name offering up a bet on racing and if you did I would fully expect it to be expoliting some loophole rather than it being based on any worthwhile opinion.
Erm, I’m not taking a neutral position – I’m big red on such horses.
Aren’t you prejudging my bets just a teeny weeny bit? I’ll extend the offer – you can spell out any loopholes in advance and I won’t exploit them. The only loophole I need is horses whose true odds are shorter IMHO than you’ve chalked up.
I understand why you would want to weasel out of offering such a deal though.
I wouldn’t make any guarantees about laying you , or indeed anyone else. No-one in the world can get on what they want, when they want, with no restriction. Would you send me a copy of your tissue (priced up to the average bookmamker margin) and let me bet what I like at your prices without restriction?
That said, If you offer up the "straight go" bets that you describe then I am sure you will be accommodated for a reasonable amount.
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