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Dicky
I too read that article
It is truly beyond shameful
We have been manipulated into a. corner
People now want out of that corner
The tide has turned
I hope all those Sage bastards and johnson cohorts get what they deserve
As for the useless nhs. Sell it please it is helping nobody
I have a big problem with Party-Gate, it’s bloody awful and all those organising or taking part need to hang their heads in shame.
However, I personally don’t see anything wrong with that particular photograph, Richard.
Everyone knew it is/was less likely to transmit covid when outside.
Therefore safer for office staff (AT WORK) to be outside talking rather than inside.
It is also safer to eat and drink outside rather than inside.
I know – at that time – a meeting of more than one household would not have been permitted privately in a garden. But it WAS permitted at work – a small difference in order to keep the economy going.Richard Wrote: “Anyone who votes for them (Conservatives) after this condones it”.
If a photograph/s came to light showing Starmer in a similar pose would you never vote Labour?
Does anyone who voted / is voting Labour condone what happened in Iraq?As I said in an earlier post, if a voter in the latest by-election I would have voted Liberal in order to give this Tory government a kick up the backside.
However, personally think the government has done a better job than any Labour or Liberal government would’ve done. Both would’ve done too much damage to the economy. As I said above, I certainly do not condone Party-Gate! But to vote for anyone else in a General Election would imo be counter-productive. Realise your opinion may differ; but attacking Conservative voters as you are will only make them more likely to vote Conservative. Just as Angela Raynor’s “scum” comment does.
Value Is EverythingGood post Gt
Disagree with it robustly but good try
You have to lead by example
Minutes after hancock the utter cnut was on tv hectoring us as to how we should behave
The pictures show
1 utter contempt for us joe public
2 all rules do not apply to them
3 MOST IMPORTANT. WHY THE HECK WE EVER ALLOWED THE GOVT TO TAKE OUR FREEDOM AND BE A DICTATORSHIP
**** OFF JOHNSON ITS OVER
Gingerstipster. There’s something that you’ve overlooked. Before the last election there were many good, decent Conservative MP’s, but Johnson threw them out so that he could impose his own personal brand of Conservatism on us. Kenneth Clark (ok I know he was going to retire anyway but if he hadn’t’ve done so he would have been made to). Anna, Dominic, Rory, Soames etc The party is now ruled by a load of old dinosaurs: Bone, Cash, Redwood etc. Are they really better than a government consisting of Starmer, Cooper, Streeting….I honestly don’t think so. We spoke to Anna at a race meeting years ago and she told us then what she thought of Johnson, and that was ages before he became PM. There’s no way that she could have served under him. A friend of ours, a Tory councillor left the party because he was so disgusted by them. It really is rotten imo, with very few exceptions.
To be honest I don’t have a have a huge problem with the actual act of sitting outside with a few drinks (let’s not pretend it was work, no papers, no laptops and his bloody wife was there. If my family came to work meetings there would be serious data protection issues and I’m not running the country). It wasn’t particularly dangerous covid wise and I’m sure thousands did the same without being caught or putting anyone at risk.
The problem is it shows that, as usual, they think the rules are for little people and they can just carry on doing as they please (that’s nothing new, many other politicians and other wealthy folk act like this but the Tories are ones making the rules in this instance). It really is a colossal insult to those who abided by the rules, particularly where they sacrificed the chance to say goodbye to loved ones. And every penny handed out in fines should be repaid.
Moehat,
Know it can sometimes seem that Bone, Cash and Redwood have power but they don’t, aren’t even in the Government, thankfully they’re only back bench MPs. If they were in the government I would not be voting Conservative – too far right for me. Labour party has its Bone Redwood and Cash in Corbyn, Mcdonald and Raynor on the far left (and many more). Latter is still in the shadow cabinet. tbh I don’t mind Starmer and Cooper – don’t know enough about Streeting.However, rather than your question of are Bone, Cash and Redwood any better than Starmer, Cooper and Streeting… to be fair it should really be are Bone, Cash and Redwood any better than Corbyn, MacDonald and Raynor? The answer to that is Yes.
If Labour can get back to the centre-ground it once held under Blair I could vote for Labour again. But pretty much the same Labour MPs are in Parliament now as was the case under Corbyn… And – yes with a few exceptions – the same Tory Mps as in the days of Cameron and May.
When someone asked me which MP my politics was most like (before Brexit) my answer was Kenneth Clark. Best Prime Minister we never had. tbh I was a bit worried when Boris became PM, but if seeing through the clown and Party-Gate; concentrating solely on policies – imo he’s done a pretty good job. Much more centre than expected and at least he’s got Brexit done with a better deal than I expected bar – the reason I voted Remain – .Northern Ireland.
You spoke to “Anna”. I take it that’s Anna Sou-rpuss? Was she really a Conservative though? I was a Remainer but even before B-day she was really getting on my nerves. Once leaving the government seemed to have her own agenda of anti-anyone in power in the Tory government, much like John Bercow. No surprise both have now left, they were in the wrong party.
Value Is EverythingHis “bloody wife” lives there Richard. Chequers is both a residence and a place of work… Are we going to ban wives from helping their husbands at work / home and husbands helping wives? What’s wrong with that?
Given her previous career as a Conservative Party advisor, it wouldn’t be a surprise if she helps her husband in either a paid or unpaid roll. Indeed my mother played an important unpaid roll in my Dad and I’s carpet business.
Had it been at the time of covid would you stop my mum from helping too?
Or should it be one rule for Carrie and Boris and another for “the little people”?
Surely it has to work both ways?Instead of one rule for the “elites” and another for the little people…
Sometimes with the Left it seems a case of one rule for the little people and another for the “elites”.
But the media wouldn’t dare talk about that one.Value Is EverythingSigh
Gt is an enormous pain in the bottom sometimes
Good night bedwetters
And all other lounge lizards too
😀😀🐝🐝
Corbyn is no longer a member of the Labour Party. And Bone, Cash, Redwood and whoever are in the 1922 committee are those pulling the PM’s strings because they’re the ones that are currently receiving letters of no confidence in him. I’m not sure who’s in the 1922 committee ( need to Google it). I like Raynor. Probably not many politicians that have risen to be deputy party leader from such humble beginnings. She has grown on me. McDonnell I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw him.
Corbyn will be back. It’s only a “suspension”.
Only has to say a few words of apology and Labour will have no option but take him back.Value Is EverythingHow can Bone, Redwood and Cash be “pulling the PM’s strings” when they’re the ones so infuriated with Boris for not doing what they want?
Value Is EverythingOnly in that he’s scared of them. The 1922 committee are very powerful within the party. All of the 1922 committee voted against the government last week. It was only the decent Conservatives and Labour who got it through. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when parliament meets after Christmas. The backbenchers don’t want any more restrictions. I can’t tell Bone and Cash apart.Theyre both like something out of Gormenghast and I loathe both of them. It’s all fascinating in a horrible sort of way.
“decent Conservatives”.
Right, so decent Conservatives now vote for useless and illiberal vaccine passports while presumably indecent Conservatives concern themselves with pesky issues like freedom and civil liberties.
We really have gone Through the Looking Glass.
Well yes I am saying that politicians should be scrutinised differently to the rest of us. They are elected by us and work for us. That applies just as much to the PM as it does to a town councillor (many of whom certainly couldn’t be described as ‘the elite’). If Carrie is advising him that’s fine, just tell us it’s happening as we have a right to know the same as we do for Sage or anyone else.
What private companies (some of which very much are part of ‘the elite’) do is, within the law, their own business.
Of course in this instance I don’t believe for a minute that any work was being done so if they want to hang around in the garden having a drink then in normal times there’s nothing wrong with it. But those weren’t normal times and we’re back where we started now.
To be perfectly honest Richard every spouse has advised leaders
You could hardly imagine Clinton telling hilary to “shut up.and do the dishes” (although I bet he was tempted) or Franklin roosevelt telling eleanor to make him a cup.of tea
Dont see issue here and is it the same fuss when a male spouse advises a female.leader ? Denis Thatcher? There’s a whiff of real sexism surrounding some peoples issues with all of this
Although spouses might go through lists of cabinet ministers to be sacked and describing their crestfallen near suicidal reactions, to give the other half the horn
Freedom and civil liberties? Do people not realise that while they’re focussing on covid restrictions (which, imo are necessary) the government are pushing through legislation to stop people having the right to protest, trying to make themselves above the law, changing boundaries so they are more likely to gain or win seats, planning to privatise the NHS, bring in voter ID so many people will not be able to vote etc etc. These are the very same MP’s who are making a big noise about vaccine passports so people concentrate on that. Do you honestly think that the Cash/ Bone/Redwood/Rees Moggs of this world care about anyone except themselves and their rich supporters? The pandemic has been a gift from God to them so that they can carry on gaslighting the electorate.
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