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Before people start shouting about what a great jockey he is and I don’t disagree, however one has to start looking
It is 2 Saturdays now.
Firstly Grandouet
Today Oscar Whisky.
Who will be next.
I know people will say about all his successes but people do not go by past successes but by today and yesterday.
Two big races, two fallers when both looked like winning and would probably have won.
As I recall Henderson pulled him out of the doldrums several years ago when people thought he had gone past his best.
Let the debate begin.I’m a big fan of
Overturn
No idea but i thought i was a lucky winner today as
Oscar Whiskey
was ridden superbly by B,Geraghty,he actually kept tabs on the notoriously fast Overturn all the way round which didn’t bode well with me as i was hoping Overturn would steal an unasailable lead,at the weights i honestly thought my horse would take the sting out of Barrys but No,approaching the last hurdle Betfair had them at 4/5 Overturn,5/4 Oscars Whiskey and my gut reaction was i was going to lose again,Barry did nothing wrong whatsoever,his mount just didn’t pick up like he expected imo.The sooner he jumps fences the better too,i like the idea of
Oscars Whiskey
in a 3m Novice chase,he’s built like a bull!
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AS BG explained afterwards, he had little choice but to ask for a big one to have any chance of winning. It didn’t come off but, had he let the horse pop the hurdle, it wouldn’t have either.
AS BG explained afterwards, he had little choice but to ask for a big one to have any chance of winning. It didn’t come off but, had he let the horse pop the hurdle, it wouldn’t have either.
What about second place prize money for the owners? Not forgetting all those who had
Oscar Whisky
as a placepot banker.
Winning isn’t always everything.
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Yes, Mr P; 20k, in this case – but what if he had brought it off?
Brilliant ride then – no doubt.The last thing a jump jockey wants is to fall.It could end his career.No jockey courts such an outcome.Please stay in the real world.It’s not about money,it’s about life and limb.
Yes, Mr P; 20k, in this case – but what if he had brought it off?
Brilliant ride then – no doubt.True, but I’m not
certain
that he had no chance of winning if he had have just popped the last.
The last thing a jump jockey wants is to fall.It could end his career.No jockey courts such an outcome.Please stay in the real world.It’s not about money,it’s about life and limb.
Are you on the right thread?
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The last thing a jump jockey wants is to fall.It could end his career.No jockey courts such an outcome.Please stay in the real world.It’s not about money,it’s about life and limb.
Are you on the right thread?
Or even the right planet?
It’s about winning, Andy, and most jump jockeys wouldn’t be in the game if their priority was self-preservation.Mr P.
From RP analysis:
Bigger than the winner in stature, he needed to work really hard from the final bend to peg back Overturn before coming down – his jockey said afterwards that he felt he needed to go for a big one at the last to have any chance of winning.
Clearly a judgement call from BG, and (imo) no certainty he would have won had he produced one.Mr Pilsen – I think the priority when a horse falls is the welfare of jockey and horse, not the loss of money to the owners and public. If you cannot accept a horse making a mistake and falling now and again, stick to flat racing!
Ridiculous comment!
As Cash Asmussen famously said about the Irish punters at the Park. Fow a two dollar bet they want to tell the jockey how to ride the horse.Incidentally wanting to win that badly will get others as well as one’s self killed.All the good jockeys know that.
Mr Pilsen – I think the priority when a horse falls is the welfare of jockey and horse, not the loss of money to the owners and public. If you cannot accept a horse making a mistake and falling now and again, stick to flat racing!
Ridiculous comment!
*Sigh* deaf, dumb and blind.
What I’m saying is that BG asked too much of his mount at the last. He should have popped it knowing he could still win- remember Overturn could have fallen, hit the last, tied-up, or any number of things- The worst that OW could have done was to finish second had BG not have gone for **** or bust at the last.
Jockey error, IMO. BG is bound to say after the event that he had to go for a big one. Obviously the welfare of the jockey and the horse comes before money.
"Jockey error, IMO. BG is bound to say after the event that he had to go for a big one.
Obviously the welfare of the jockey and the horse comes before money
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Do you realise what you have just said? They fell, ffs!!!!
"Jockey error, IMO. BG is bound to say after the event that he had to go for a big one. Obviously the welfare of the jockey and the horse comes before money"
Do you realise what you have just said? They fell, ffs!!!!
Jesus H Christ- You don’t say!
Do you think that the fall was inevitable?
This place is getting more like
that
other place every day.
Mr Pilsen,
You are talking in hindsight.
Overturn went 2m3f for the first time. Yet Maguire asked him to ping just about every hurdle and tried to outstay Oscar Whiskey. No doubt had Overturn fallen at the last hurdle, someone would’ve said "Maguire should’ve known he couldn’t get away with asking Overturn up at every obstacle".In my opinion Oscar Whiskey was going slightly "better" than Overturn at the last, but knowing Overturn’s battling qualities I’d say the McCain runner was still favourite to win.
Barry had to go for everything for a good chance of winning.
Had Oscar Whiskey not fallen and Gerraghty came back and said "I thought I might fall at the last so just popped it, and lost the race because of doing so". What would the reaction be?
In the Elite Hurdle Barry came there to win his race but put off by Jacob half-lengthing him (probably not deliberately). Being a fairly inexperienced hurdler, Grandouet saw Celestial Halo take off and joined him in doing so, despite being half a length behind. I got the impression Grandouet came up out of Barry’s hands.
Value Is EverythingThank you Ginge for at least seeing where I’m coming from.
Still don’t think that s hit or bust is always in the best interests of connections. Fine when it comes off( no pun intended) of course.
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