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Well said, Scribbles.<br>The problem I think the HRA have is that if they continue to root out more bent trainers/owners/jockeys, the racing industry could retract.<br>I suppose they hope if they come down on a few, the rest might be more wary and reduce their activities.
At the end of the day I think even the most charitable of us know that shenanigans go on in races of a low level so the obvious answer is restrict your betting to races which are valuable.
If you don’t bet on a Curley (or whoever) runner in a seller you cannot get the hump.
Quote: from Librettist on 4:13 pm on June 2, 2007[br]At the end of the day I think even the most charitable of us know that shenanigans go on in races of a low level so the obvious answer is restrict your betting to races which are valuable.
If you don’t bet on a Curley (or whoever) runner in a seller you cannot get the hump.
Fair enough lib, I have the likes of Curley, Tony Martin, Michael Wigam, well sussed, [cost me a lot of money over the years, took me a while] but your OAP, or your average Joe Soap in the betting shop is been screwed left, right, centre. These are the people bookies love, who dont realise that the a/m trainers dont give a hoot about them, as long as they line their greedy pockets. Funny, the said trainers would not exist without your average Joe, we give these guys a living, and yet they give you the two fingers
Come on Aragorn, I am waiting !
MM, every successful punter loves Joe Soap, not just the bookies, whose money is it do you think you are winning when you collect from the bookies window? There is no law that says you have to bet in every race. Curley’s stable isn’t big so it isn’t difficult to ignore races that include his runners. Joe Soap could consider betting on the other 99.9% of races that don’t instead.
Specifically in the recent case, I think Barney was hard done by- the horse looked anything but happy up the straight and I really doubt he could have finished much closer. I think if Joe Bloggs trained it there would never have been a word about it. The reason it was such a big deal was its’ big drift on Betfair. I will streak naked around TRF if Barney Curley is stupid enough to be laying his horses on Betfair either himself or by proxy- if anything is designed to attract attention it’s that. More likely it’s the sheep effect when there’s no money for them exaggerating things. More generally, I don’t have a problem with the Barney Curleys and Tony Martins of this world, in fact I enjoy them. If you use your head you can profit by their machinations- what they do is not rocket science. They simply get a horse well handicapped by running it under unsuitable conditions then get it in a race it can win and get the expenses of keeping it for a year or two back, hopefully, if it runs to form, gets a decent ride and isn’t unlucky in running. If any of the above happen, it’s back to the drawing board. Once their horses start winning, you can follow them. <br>One good example is a horse called Munnings of Tony Martin’s. Bought out of Paul Cole’s, he hosed up in a flat handicap at the Curragh on Guineas weekend, having had a few sighters over hurdles first. You can be guaranteed that this horse will win at least another flat handicap and will prove to be very well handicapped over hurdles next Winter (Pierse Hurdle, Cheltenham etc) What’s wrong with that?
Of course its not rocket science. Its the blatant cheating they do to get their horses well h/capped, and authorities know but are mostly powerless to stop them. Martin & Curleys horses make absoluete miracaculous almost out of this world improvement in form. You have gathered I don’t like these type of trainers from my numerous other posts. If your happy with taking 7/1 on a horse Martin has backed at 33/1, fair enough, not for me. I generally don’t back either trainers horses and will avoid any races where Curley has a runner as I dont have the time to hang around the betting shop to see how his horses move in the market. I always place my bets before racing starts.<br>As for Barney not having any Betfair accounts by proxy, I wouldn’t be so sure about that !. In fact I would streak around naked on TRF if he hasn’t.
See you in the lounge, loser removes his rhinestone-studded g-string…..ooohh, matron!
From what I read in the racing reports in British or French papers(reported in the B.P.) the main law breakers in racing are the jockeys. Every serious effort to win results in a ban.Is it because they for the most part are ordinary people with no pedigree so to speak?<br>B.Curley is incidentally a good friend of many of these lads.Maybe there is a conspiracy between Barney and Jamie and young Queally or the next lad to arrive from Ireland!If we could only get rid of them and Kieren and Winston; next it will be Cosgrave I suppose and I could go on and on. Jockeys get paid by the ride. Trainers get paid whether a horse runs or not. So banning a horse for a month means little to a big trainer but it hurts the small guy.Get the riff raff out of racing. Just look at what happened to Heffernan last year when Frankie ran into the stewards to complain against him!If we switch horses would Frankie have been banned?I don’t think so.
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