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He is low key now.
What decade did he win those titles??
Media attention is for today and for those that are big now on the wholeGaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Relatively low profile, though, nowadays, though, isn’t he?
If it was Nicky Henderson or Paul Nicholls in the spotlight for the wrong reasons, it would attract a great deal more attention.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Henderson would get castrated on here for something similar
He gets 10 pages of abuse every time he pulls a horse from a race.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
Yes, I had noticed.
Yet I’m fairly confident Henderson isn’t Irish!
I find the phoney war stuff boring enough during the Cheltenham Festival without it rearing its head the rest of the year too.
The vast majority of people don’t care about Team Ireland or Team Britain – they only care about Team Me.
I wouldn’t be bothered if Britain never had another winner at the Cheltenham Festival – so long as I still ended each meeting in profit!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Ok, let’s not talk about the citizenships of any trainers. Just concentrate on a few facts about both horses involved.
They had to be withdrawn and were still able to run 2-3 days later and I’m not sure that the results of the samples had arrived by the time of their next starts. They ran in total 6-7 races after their withdrawals, one of them managed a win, the Bailey horse finished runner up three times. He ist still a maiden and unable to win even during the summer jumping season.
Both horses were favourites or at least JF every time they ran. Probably a lot of people knew that they might be able to pick up a race or two thanks to the syringes that seemd to be part of their pre-race procedures.
Both trainers got away with 1k fines, though we still don’t know what was found in the samples.
Is this a normal procedure on British racecourses and if yes, what about other trainers that haven’t been caught pre-race? This could happen at least a few dozen times during the racing calendar.How am I supposed to trust any trainers and have faith in the authorities?
Good post and fair comment/questions from Ex RubyLight IMO.
Definitely more questions to be answered here.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"While it is currently the headline story on the racing post site, I wonder if there is less engagement because there are fewer of us who are fully conversant on the topic? I admit that the matter of doping is not a subject which I fully understand; especially given the wide array of medicines, their purposes and effects. Not to mention the ambiguity over which substances are fine, which are not, and which ones are fine until they’re not.
Conversely, the HRI’s handling of the Stephen Mahon case is the real bee in my bonnet because I can comfortably understand that there is nothing nuanced or technical about the matter. Moreover, the doping angle of the story only exacerbates my dumbfoundment.
Insofar as Bailey/Greenall’s prestige is concerned, most people outside of racing had no idea who Gordon Elliott was either, since most mainstream news came with the qualification that he is a big deal in the sport. Beyond the most casual of racegoers, I imagine most will be familiar with both Bailey and Greenall as the former has had plenty of top class horses and the latter is very much a growing force in the game. For those who follow racing media, the amount of people who have heard of Elliott but not of Bailey or Greenall is probably quite minute.
If I understand correctly, the results of these hearings were published over a week ago. It’s interesting that the Racing Post has published an article about it this evening after it was first raised on here last night and the discussion has rumbled on today!
If the Racing Post is reacting to material on social media – and maybe even here – then fair play to them, at least they are making some attempt to capture the current mood online.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Bailey always had a very good record with first time out winners. I always thought a lot about him getting his horses primed for the 1st race of the season.
A few examples from the past (20/21) season:
One For Rosie wins after 418 days off
Shantou Express 2nd after 260 days off
Arthur’s Sixpence wins after 368 days off
Yeavering Belle wins after 277 days off
The Bull McCabe 2nd after 303 days off
Bobhopeornohope wins after 240 days off
Does He Know wins after 328 days off
Ajero 2nd after 237 days off
Espoir De Romay wins after 328 days off
Younevercall beaten a nose after 506 days off
Another Venture wins after 293 days offand many more…..
Now, I’m not suggesting anything, but his 1st time out record is a lot better than that of most NH trainers. It clearly shows that his horses are really READY 1st time out. I guess it’s just good training.
Good post ERL. Your stats are the kind of numbers that caught the attention of the FBI in the US. Certain trainers were winning at a strike rate over a period of time that defied the odds. Depends on what you read or to who you listen, some very influential trainers, who play by the rules, started to complain privately, and some publicly, and of course one thing led to another and eventually many arrests were made and confessions extracted from the guilty. But, it’s not over yet. However, things are changing slowly for the better and I remain hopeful that the care and attention of these beautiful equine athletes will become the number one priority bar-none and cheaters punished accordingly.
Now, with regards to this issue at hand, we have here many intelligent and articulate posts but they are stating and restating the problem. What is the solution? How many here have taken concrete action by writing to their respective member of the Parliament? Writing to influential newspapers? Writing to the BHRA? If you were the head of BHRA or a member of Parliament what steps would you take to eradicate this problem? BTW, I’m most guilty of not doing my share also..
I find the phoney war stuff boring enough during the Cheltenham Festival without it rearing its head the rest of the year too.
You say this Ian and then post (probably tongue in cheek i know) otherwise, such as the Pope comment etc. Why can’t i do the same as you as i have here and poke the hornet’s nest? Call it phoney or whatever, we all do it….
Either way, it’s good the Racing Post have finally released something…even if it is far too late + pretty poor.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Syringes found in horse boxes isn’t a good look. And yet there isn’t massive uproar….If it was another sport, there would be all hell let loose. And I’ve heard all this before…..I know were this is going.
Kim Bailey on Nick Luck’s podcast saying they might have re-used syringes and left them in a bucket that shouldn’t have been in the horse box. Further, people said they’re using a supplement called Pulmon Pro, and Bailey defends it along the lines of people using “herbal” supplements. But I’ll be honest, outside of booze and fags, which I know the effects of, I’ll only take medically licensed products.
“You say this Ian and then post (probably tongue in cheek i know) otherwise, such as the Pope comment etc. Why can’t i do the same as you as i have here and poke the hornet’s nest? Call it phoney or whatever, we all do it….”
Fair enough, Jack – I shall henceforth endeavour to practise what I preach!
Could be a big ask!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"MoyenneCorniche posted thusly on page 1:
…my question would be how Kim Baileys horse tested negative if the syringe that they admitted that they had jabbed the horse with while loading him into his box contained banned substances?
This was also my question. A reliable source contacted the BHA and received the following reply:
“Regarding the findings for substances in the syringe, a screening finding is not a confirmed analytical finding, and this is an important distinction. It is an indication that the substances may be present but it is not an indication of its prevalence and therefore does not satisfy the requirements for charge under the anti-doping rules.
Furthermore, the horse was withdrawn (ie did not race) and tested negative for prohibited substance. A confirmatory analysis of the syringe was not undertaken because the prospect of an anti-doping
violation were unlikely based on the outlined circumstances and, in normal doses, it would not be anticipated that this product would cause an anti-doping violation (supported by the horse’s negative
sample). This informs the reason for the charge under Rule (D)11.”IMO it would not have hurt to to undertake a confirmatory analysis of the syringe contents because I’m not especially enamoured with the word ‘unlikely’.
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