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Found with a syringe containing multiple prohibited substances on his lorry, when his horse Subway Surf displayed a substance around her mouth at Ludlow. Allowed to run the Sunday afterwards….£1000 fine and swept quickly under the carpet.
https://www.racingfixtures.co.uk/news/Disciplinary-Panel-results-of-fast-tracked-cases.php?id=6955
Similar can be said about Oliver Greenall.
I wonder why none of these were picked up by any proper UK racing press? Oh i wonder…..
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I find the inference it’s one rule for the British and another rule for the Irish risible tbh.
But then in my experience the whole Britain v Ireland thing matters a lot more to (some of) the Irish than it does to UK punters.
Most UK punters would list Irish trainers and jockeys among their favourites and plenty of UK punters backed Irish-trained winners at the Cheltenham Festival.
Anyone who thinks Gordon Elliott would have got an easier ride off the UK media had he been a UK trainer is simply wrong IMO.
I don’t know much about the Bailey/Greenall cases, but I wouldn’t be looking to defend either of them simply because of their nationality.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I think the fact that it hasn’t been brought up by the media, or by people on here, when other cases are brought up extremely quickly is telling.
Thank you for posting a link Jackh. The Bailey/Greenall cases both leave a poor impression in my view. OK, so the tests came back negative, but even a charitable interpretation is that there is a poor understanding of quite fundamental rules in their establishments. It’s also quite shocking when reading the wider set of disciplinary reports just how often trainers seem to break or misunderstand the regulations governing the sport that they are supposedly licensed professionals in. It is disappointing that the racing press has not picked up on these two cases, and the trainers certainly deserve some scrutiny.
Saying all that, I don’t think much of the comment about some of the recent cases in Ireland has been misplaced. Gordon Elliott came in for plenty of justified criticism on both sides of the Irish Sea. Stephen Mahon has got off very lightly in the press in both Ireland and the UK in my opinion. Although cases where there is a suspicion of doping are really welfare cases, most of the cases that have made the headlines involve more visible mistreatment of horses (e.g. Elliott, Mahon, Panorama). Perhaps I’m being naive, but I think the individuals involved would have got similar treatment for these types of issue regardless of their nationality.
If individuals are determined to look for prejudice and bigotry – regardless of the fact that neither may exist – that is their prerogative.
However, it has never struck me that this forum is full of people who would particularly want to defend Oliver Greenall or Kim Bailey – or any other trainers come to that – and if it hasn’t been talked about on here it’s simply because there’s been a lack of awareness of it.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Putting this boring English v Irish nonsense aside for a minute, my question would be how Kim Baileys horse tested negative if the syringe that they admitted that they had jabbed the horse with while loading him into his box contained banned substances?
“A lack of awareness” sounds a lot like ignorance. Of course some people would be implying “wilful ignorance.”
But that’d be applying maliciousness to people who merely dwelt at the start.
“I think the fact that it hasn’t been brought up by the media, or by people on here, when other cases are brought up extremely quickly is telling.”
I don’t.
Seeing as Rob North posted self same link sometime ago on the Gordon Elliott thread.What I do see as telling is the fact there there has been zero response to Louise 12 posting the black horse newsletter on the forum. Zilch nada.
Read that and then say something.
Bailey’s representative observes a head lad administer the contents of one syringe before or while the horse was being loaded into the horsebox, adding that the contents of the second syringe were to be administered after the race. The horse comes back negative while the syringes are returned positive for multiple prohibited substances.
This really doesn’t add up. For transparency, someone needs to ask a few questions, viz.
(1) Why were the syringes containing proscribed drugs in Bailey’s transport, does he have any more of the brown liquid at home, and if so, why.
(2) At the very minimum, to ask the laboratory staff to check their results.
(3) Revisit the representative and request confirmation of her story.
(4) Ask the head lad why he was administering medication to a horse on a raceday.
(5) Anything else I may not have thought of.
I do not think these questions should be regarded as irrelevant in the context of this incident, and it is the incident that is at issue rather than the popularity of the trainer.
On preview, I’m echoing MoyenneCorniche’s point but with enhanced verbosity.
As far as I can see, the main people in a position to ask these questions are the BHA and the Press. The former do not appear to have been very probing (at least based on the official reports), and appear to regard the matter as settled. The latter seem to be uninterested.
There definitely seem to be further questions as to why this is so low profile, though I am not convinced the answer is as simple as nationality.
“What I do see as telling is the fact there there has been zero response to Louise 12 posting the black horse newsletter on the forum. Zilch nada.”
I’ve a lot of respect for Louise 12, but linking to newsletters buried in tweets, buried in PDFs I’m downloading from who knows where?
Post it here. The cloak and daggers **** is only mystique, and also the fact you’ll look a fool if you get something wrong and don’t have it buried beneath so making yourself believers.
Ahhh, poor Louise12. Nobody responded to the post, and you think that’s telling? Here’s something really telling: Louise12 was very quick to provide no less than 7 links (yes that’s correct 7 links!) on page 7 in the post “Doping in horse racing” and quickly point fingers across the pond under the pretext of keeping people here informed. But where is Louise12 with this story and the relevant links?
Jackh, the main reason the media is not following this story and keeping the public informed because it’s much easier to shift attention and report what’s going on in America because obviously Britain doesn’t have such a problem. It’s only in Ireland in America. Misinformation is a powerful tool to control public opinion…
When I read expressions like “make yourself look a fool” and “ignorance” it’s not hard to see who is spoiling for a “fight.”
Which is a shame.
Because both the UK and Ireland have their integrity problems and to focus on one being allegedly worse than the other serves no useful purpose.
I would no more defend or seek to ignore wrongdoing in Britain than I would anywhere else.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Bailey + Greenall sounds like a crap detective show
Both are very low profile hence would not get the attention of the likes of Elliot who is a trainer banging in the winners on a par with a genius like Willie Mullins and winning Grand Nationals and top trainer at Cheltenham
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And the evidence Nathan is correct is there for all to see.
Because Elliott isn’t even the only Irish fella to be thus photographed.
But the other guy hasn’t got 1% of Elliott’s profile so hardly anyone ever mentions it.
It’s a profile thing, not a nationality thing.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Just to add, I don’t think Louise12 is pointing fingers across the pond. Based on my conversation with her on the recent equine census thread, she is based in Ireland, and most of her posts are simply highlighting Irish information that I suspect would otherwise not come to the forum’s attention.
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