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I had to laugh at Professor and his thread title. It’s inevitable that he will end up in the gutter, whispering to himself whilst clutching a batch of bingo cards. It’s all grey hair and insanity if you don’t get a grip of yourself mate. The fact you’ve went from horses to roulette machines indicates you need to feed your impulse to have a punt. Get a shave, fix your hair and bin those hundreds of losing scratch cards. The flats have been absolutely pish at times for the punter, but that should tell you to be more selective, or just lower your stakes and try to enjoy it more. It’s only gonnae get tougher for you if you let the game take you on an emotional roller coaster.
You’d think having lived in the town of Newmarket for almost forty years I’d have encountered the odd successful professional gambler, but I haven’t. I’ve never known anybody who genuinely makes a profit year in year out, just a few people who kid themselves that they do.
Most gamblers bet for the ‘fix’ in one way or another. Is horse racing even a viable medium for a pro? Surely there are just too many variables?
For my part, as a mug punter who definitely isn’t in denial, I enthuse about my winners and quickly forget my losers. It’s fun. Sometimes expensive fun but fun nonetheless.
I am considerably more successful when gambling on football matches or other less chaotic sporting events, but rarely do. It isn’t as much fun.
What the Prof, IMHO, seems to be missing is that with horse racing there is a drama and enjoyment beyond merely winning or losing. For me just to watch the poetry of good thoroughbreds in motion makes up for every hour I work on behalf of the bookmakers.
You’d think having lived in the town of Newmarket for almost forty years I’d have encountered the odd successful professional gambler, but I haven’t. I’ve never known anybody who genuinely makes a profit year in year out, just a few people who kid themselves that they do.
Thanks very much Hammy. Sorry I haven’t been to Newmarket since Dancing Brave won the 2000 Guineas. Well if you ever get to Newbury or Goodwood, let me know and you can finally meet one.
Most gamblers bet for the ‘fix’ in one way or another. Is horse racing even a viable medium for a pro? Surely there are just too many variables?
Yes it is "viable", the trouble with most punters is they haven’t got a clue how to study form for profit. They just give up.
For my part, as a mug punter who definitely isn’t in denial, I enthuse about my winners and quickly forget my losers. It’s fun. Sometimes expensive fun but fun nonetheless.
I am considerably more successful when gambling on football matches or other less chaotic sporting events, but rarely do. It isn’t as much fun.
Yes, it sure is fun, and no, you don’t have to bet for racing to be fun.
What the Prof, IMHO, seems to be missing is that with horse racing there is a drama and enjoyment beyond merely winning or losing. For me just to watch the poetry of good thoroughbreds in motion makes up for every hour I work on behalf of the bookmakers.
Ohhhhhhhhh Yyyyyessss!
Value Is EverythingYou’d think having lived in the town of Newmarket for almost forty years I’d have encountered the odd successful professional gambler, but I haven’t. I’ve never known anybody who genuinely makes a profit year in year out, just a few people who kid themselves that they do.
Thanks very much Hammy. Sorry I haven’t been to Newmarket since Dancing Brave won the 2000 Guineas. Well if you ever get to Newbury or Goodwood, let me know and you can finally meet one.
Most gamblers bet for the ‘fix’ in one way or another. Is horse racing even a viable medium for a pro? Surely there are just too many variables?
Yes it is "viable", the trouble with most punters is they haven’t got a clue how to study form for profit. They just give up.
For my part, as a mug punter who definitely isn’t in denial, I enthuse about my winners and quickly forget my losers. It’s fun. Sometimes expensive fun but fun nonetheless.
I am considerably more successful when gambling on football matches or other less chaotic sporting events, but rarely do. It isn’t as much fun.
Yes, it sure is fun, and no, you don’t have to bet for racing to be fun.
What the Prof, IMHO, seems to be missing is that with horse racing there is a drama and enjoyment beyond merely winning or losing. For me just to watch the poetry of good thoroughbreds in motion makes up for every hour I work on behalf of the bookmakers.
Ohhhhhhhhh Yyyyyessss!
I didn’t say there were no pros who make a profit Ginge. I said I hadn’t met one myself in my time in the town. I suspect if such a person does exist then they probably don’t make a habit of announcing their success publicly anyway. As I pointed out though the town is awash with punters who, unlike myself, are in denial.
One added factor is that you don’t even have to show that ‘steady profit’ around here to get yourself a ban from the bookmakers. The smaller shops will refuse your money for simply having a few decent winners on the trot. Bookmakers generally, unlike we mugs, (You can discount yourself from that description by all means.) aren’t in the habit of losing.
What Hammy is saying is that Newmarket is a town full of people who think they know something. However what they do know does not usually make up for what they do not know and hence over time they do not make a profit. Admittedly when I worked there the 10 and then 9% betting duty usually took care of the winning margin. There was one man who had historically been unprofitable to the firm but in the time I knew him he seldom had more than a fun bet and he was monitored because of who he was rather than his bets. He was an absolute gentleman and always a pleasure to talk to.
Another well-known Newmarket character is probably the best example of a terrible gambler. He could come in to back one horse but would either lose his stake before the horse ran or play up his winnings until he walked out of the shop with nothing. His wife/girlfriend unsure of what their children would have for an evening meal.What Hammy is saying is that Newmarket is a town full of people who think they know something. However what they do know does not usually make up for what they do not know and hence over time they do not make a profit. Admittedly when I worked there the 10 and then 9% betting duty usually took care of the winning margin. There was one man who had historically been unprofitable to the firm but in the time I knew him he seldom had more than a fun bet and he was monitored because of who he was rather than his bets. He was an absolute gentleman and always a pleasure to talk to.
Another well-known Newmarket character is probably the best example of a terrible gambler. He could come in to back one horse but would either lose his stake before the horse ran or play up his winnings until he walked out of the shop with nothing. His wife/girlfriend unsure of what their children would have for an evening meal.Do you remember an underage youngster with unforgettably long and greasy hair who went by the name Paul A EF? He was about two or three years my junior and an habitual gambler who genuinely did seem to be able to run up relatively huge sums of winnings some days. I’ve seen him whilst still at school walk out of your old shop a couple of thousand up on one or two occasions. Such sums were staggering to us onlookers at the time and when he was winning he was fearless about the size of his stake.
Of course inevitably his ballon would burst and you’d get it all back, but he was a minor legend at our school.
The name does not ring a bell. Most of my Newmarket time was 1990-94 then infrequently between 1998-2001.
The name does not ring a bell. Most of my Newmarket time was 1990-94 then infrequently between 1998-2001.
Ah no then I’m talking around 1979/80 ish.
The are two things to remember about Roulette.
1 All the numbers add up to 666 (the number of the beast.
)2 Any single number returns at odds of 35/1 yet the are 37 numbers (with a single zero), the odds are in favour of the house.
Yes Prof, I understand alright. Whether you’re trying to make this point or not, the point that comes accross is… You’re a mug who blames the racing for your own inadequacies. I have no doubt that if you lost at jump racing you’d be equally as miffed and call that gender "rubbish".
What an odd reaction. I have made fair criticisms of the sport as a betting medium. You insist on calling me inadequate. You have found yourself and insanely involved system of hedging to stay in profit. You are therefore a happy bunny. I am also in profit, not by a massive amount but not bad in comparison to some seasons on the flat. But this doesn’t alter the problems of the sport as a betting medium. It would be hard enough if it was entirely straight and not artful. As it is it can become laughable.
Anyone back the Arc winner? Pricewise tip it?
Prof,
Just because you have poor days betting, you call it names. Just because you find it difficult to back winners does not make the game "rubbish". Probably just means you aren’t good enough at picking winners.There are attributes every profit making punter has, I see none of those attributes in you Prof. Any "profit" you make is only temporary. Nobody believes you make an over all profit.
Am sure some punters backed the Arc winner. Just because Pricewise did not tip it does not mean anything. Tom did (unfortunately) tip Wizz Kid at 10/1. I say "unfortunately" because he ruined the price for those of us who also made her value at 10/1 but failed to get on in time.
Not Tom’s fault.When I’m in a good patch I still think it’s insultingly difficult for punters.
I will post my figures, ginge, and you can pontificate about them.
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