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I’ve won more playing roulette than I’ve won at horses these past four weeks.
14, 34, 36, 11 and a few alley bets have yeilded more than squinting at tiny figures in the racing post for two hours followed by the depressing spectacle of watching it.
Shocking reflection!Come on the jumps, I am so sick of this rubbish!
Yes, roulette. The ultimate mugs’ game – but it’s yeilded more than the horses this past month.
Can you UNDERSTAND the point I’m making, dear Ginge?
How about "Find the Lady" also known as the "Three Card Trick".You can make money on that if you are not caught.
Yes Prof, I understand alright. Whether you’re trying to make this point or not, the point that comes accross is… You’re a mug who blames the racing for your own inadequacies. I have no doubt that if you lost at jump racing you’d be equally as miffed and call that gender "rubbish".
Value Is EverythingYou have to look for the right horses, Prof. A nice steadily improving type won the 4.10 at Ascot, name of Doc Hay.
Rob
Yes Prof, I understand alright. Whether you’re trying to make this point or not, the point that comes accross is… You’re a mug who blames the racing for your own inadequacies. I have no doubt that if you lost at jump racing you’d be equally as miffed and call that gender "rubbish".
What an odd reaction. I have made fair criticisms of the sport as a betting medium. You insist on calling me inadequate. You have found yourself and insanely involved system of hedging to stay in profit. You are therefore a happy bunny. I am also in profit, not by a massive amount but not bad in comparison to some seasons on the flat. But this doesn’t alter the problems of the sport as a betting medium. It would be hard enough if it was entirely straight and not artful. As it is it can become laughable.
Anyone back the Arc winner? Pricewise tip it?
You have to look for the right horses, Prof. A nice steadily improving type won the 4.10 at Ascot, name of Doc Hay.
Rob
I don’t like backing winners next time out. It goes wrong more often than it goes right.
My point was that in the races I looked at on Saturday, the majority of which were scoop6, I either did not feel moved to bet or when I looked at the likely winner I saw no value in him. Was Mince value at 11/4? No way.
What superficially looked a good day was actually not very interesting from a value betting point of view. Now, you will disagree. Good luck.Yes Prof, I understand alright. Whether you’re trying to make this point or not, the point that comes accross is… You’re a mug who blames the racing for your own inadequacies. I have no doubt that if you lost at jump racing you’d be equally as miffed and call that gender "rubbish".
What an odd reaction. I have made fair criticisms of the sport as a betting medium. You insist on calling me inadequate. You have found yourself and insanely involved system of hedging to stay in profit. You are therefore a happy bunny. I am also in profit, not by a massive amount but not bad in comparison to some seasons on the flat. But this doesn’t alter the problems of the sport as a betting medium. It would be hard enough if it was entirely straight and not artful. As it is it can become laughable.
Anyone back the Arc winner? Pricewise tip it?
Prof,
Just because you have poor days betting, you call it names. Just because you find it difficult to back winners does not make the game "rubbish". Probably just means you aren’t good enough at picking winners.There are attributes every profit making punter has, I see none of those attributes in you Prof. Any "profit" you make is only temporary. Nobody believes you make an over all profit.
Am sure some punters backed the Arc winner. Just because Pricewise did not tip it does not mean anything. Tom did (unfortunately) tip Wizz Kid at 10/1. I say "unfortunately" because he ruined the price for those of us who also made her value at 10/1 but failed to get on in time.
Not Tom’s fault.Value Is EverythingYes Prof, I understand alright. Whether you’re trying to make this point or not, the point that comes accross is… You’re a mug who blames the racing for your own inadequacies. I have no doubt that if you lost at jump racing you’d be equally as miffed and call that gender "rubbish".
What an odd reaction. I have made fair criticisms of the sport as a betting medium. You insist on calling me inadequate. You have found yourself and insanely involved system of hedging to stay in profit. You are therefore a happy bunny. I am also in profit, not by a massive amount but not bad in comparison to some seasons on the flat. But this doesn’t alter the problems of the sport as a betting medium. It would be hard enough if it was entirely straight and not artful. As it is it can become laughable.
Anyone back the Arc winner? Pricewise tip it?
Prof,
Just because you have poor days betting, you call it names. Just because you find it difficult to back winners does not make the game "rubbish". Probably just means you aren’t good enough at picking winners.There are attributes every profit making punter has, I see none of those attributes in you Prof. Any "profit" you make is only temporary. Nobody believes you make an over all profit.
Am sure some punters backed the Arc winner. Just because Pricewise did not tip it does not mean anything. Tom did (unfortunately) tip Wizz Kid at 10/1. I say "unfortunately" because he ruined the price for those of us who also made her value at 10/1 but failed to get on in time.
Not Tom’s fault.Totally unfair Ginge. The results have been awful recently and the every day punter is well up against it. You don’t have to bet but there’s no denying end of season brings out all the garbage year after year, the ground can be good to soft one
minute and bog deep the next..God help anyone who had abet in the morning. Sure we have some decent meetings in between time but overall racing is at rock bottomTake today for instance; The principle meeting is Brighton a sh1thole of a course with 4 consecutive multi runners handicaps which Phil Bull would have had problems finding one to get a place.
You got hard neck saying anyone has problems finding winner when you are backing multiple selections every time.
If you are consistently doing better at a game of chance than a game that takes some skill you are either
a) very lucky at the game of chance
b) lacking in the required skillsFor example some of the necessary skills are don’t bet in the morning when heavy rain is forecast, don’t bet on fillies late in the season until you have seen their condition.
I think the valid point is that there are times (most of the year in fact) where the study required and the yield returned make betting on horse racing an unviable proposition under normal economic conditions.
The 6-8 weeks thread was probably a couple of weeks short in estimation but generally the greatest window of opportunity lasts no longer than 10 weeks. Now that autumn is very much upon us anyone betting without inspecting the horses in the paddock is very much involved in a game of chance.
Those who make a profit from betting are very very few, whether their profit is worthwhile when their labour is taken into account is another matter.
All the professor is stating is that there are far more attractive betting media than horse racing (the decline in horse race betting versus other outlets is proof) for the average gambler.All the professor is stating is that there are far more attractive betting media than horse racing (the decline in horse race betting versus other outlets is proof) for the average gambler.
You’re definitely right for the ‘average’ gambler.
Roulette for example is ideal for the average punter who is incapable of rational analysis and just wants a gambling ‘fix’.
I don’t think you’d get people like that on these boards mind (although I have heard that 14, 34, 36 and 11 are HOT at the moment- get on!)
Mike
Mike, if most money gamblers were truly capable of rational analysis they would never have a bet. Of betting shop customers in the 15 years I worked in shop (Which then constituted the greatest volume of punters) those in profit could be counted on the fingers of no hands.
You have to look for the right horses, Prof. A nice steadily improving type won the 4.10 at Ascot, name of Doc Hay.
Rob
when I looked at the likely winner I saw no value in him. Was Mince value at 11/4? No way.
Of course if you didn’t feel mince was value it doesn’t mean other horse in the race weren’t value.
Mike, if most money gamblers were truly capable of rational analysis they would never have a bet. Of betting shop customers in the 15 years I worked in shop (Which then constituted the greatest volume of punters) those in profit could be counted on the fingers of no hands.
Absolutely.
I’m just finding it difficult to tally the OP’s enthusiasm for roulette and disdain for racing when you would have thought that it would be the other way round on a board such as this.
Although of course, he is well ahead in both.
Mike
So much negativity around! It’s far from impossible to make a profit investing on horses, it does take alot of time and effort but that’s half the fun isn’t it?!
I make a steady return as well as working full time, I have my bad runs like everyone but love the ups and downs, I only bet on group races and wouldn’t entertain the idea of even looking at a card from Wolverhampton or Brighton.
I’d never put a penny on a roulette machine or any other game of chance, to me that’s just mindless gambling for the thrill of it with the only certainty you’ll end up out of pocket.
For a racing forum I just don’t get why so many people are so down on what is a wonderful sport?!
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