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How impressed were you by Baccanal’s win this afternoon?
I personally think that the right handed jumping is forgivable at Newbury; if he repeats that at Cheltenham it will cost him dear. I was encouraged by Marlborough’s run after such a long absence.
It will be interesting to see Florida Pearl run tomorrow!
In answer to the question, I was not impressed at all. For the bookies to cut his Gold Cup odds is an insult to the intelligence. Bacchanal didn’t show improved form at all and his tendency to jump slowly and to the right will be an insurmountable burden if he repeats it at Cheltenham. He’s no Gold Cup winner as far as I’m concerned.
When Marlborough drifted out to 13/2 on betfair, I had to back him. Turning into the straight, I thought he might win.
Improved fitness, quicker ground and the Cheltenham track should help Marlborough on Gold Cup day. My nagging concern is whether he’ll get that final furlong up the hill.
He certainly won well but that may have been due more to his fitness level than ability. His jumping was simply nowhere near good enough to win a Gold Cup and he would have to improve significantly in this department to have a chance. I would expect definately marlborough and maybe Shotgun Willy to finish in front of him at Cheltenham. I imagine Fitz will make his mind up according to the ground Bacchanal on softer than Good Marlborough on Good or better. I can’t see either of them troubling LLT if he can repeat the form of his 2000 win but that is a big if.
<br> i agree with sunny he didnt jump to well the first circuit but when the pace quickened on the 2nd circuit his jumping improved.
quite impressed and as long as ground dosnt turn fast he has a very good chance if ground turns fast then marlborough will have a big chance.
i think m fiztgerald /henderson is a good bet to win the gc this year
I had a good bet on him yesterday and knowing the horse of old I kept saying to myself the further he goes the better he gets.I thought he was impressive in the end.My worry about the horse would be the first two fences at Cheltenham-he definitely needs time to warm up.<br>I thought Supreme Glory ran the most amazing National trial staying on very nicely without being punished.
I also had a bet on Bacchy , but did it in a betting shop:o , and did not take a price so ended up at 5/4:angry:
Have to agree with those that weren`t impressed.
That jumping display was simply not good enough.<br>Cannot see him winning the Gold Cup, no way .
Like many others, will be looking to lay him on the day.
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I was disapointed iwith his jumping too but the fact remains that in seven races he’s won five, fallen once and been third in a King George.
Soft ground gives him a better chance but I still remember him powering up Cheltenhams hill to win the Stayers hurdle on Good/Firm.
I’m not hedging my 16/1 Antepost voucher yet…
It would be a sad day for racing if a handicapper like Shooting Light can win a Gold Cup.I know horses like Nortons Coin have won but surely not SL.
<br> impressed or not heres a list of horse whom will not be finishing in front of bacchanal
best mate<br>shooting light<br>behrajan<br>alexander banquet<br>florida pearl<br>whats up boys<br>shotgun willy
<br>thanks for the compliment but sunny whom or how many on the list would u back to beat bacchanal in the gc.
i can think of 2 dangers marlborough and llt barring them i think bacchanal has a clear chance
if llt and bacchanal jumps the last together – llt might give the better jump, maybe gain two lengths but bacchanal will eat the hill and win going away. I agree with Suny and Prince, Bacchanal for me. He wont have as much opportunity to jump right in a packed cheltenham field. It might just make him concentrate.
<br>sunny
no need to apologize i guessed u misunderstood me.
i agree with your summaries except for marlborough if the word "firm" appears in the going description his chances will improve very much.
about bacchanals jumping right it is of some concern but it was noticable on the last circuit hius jumping improved very much i think with work from connections and the faster pace will help him.
his jumping in the bula at times left a bit to be desired but in the stayers was much better the same i think will happen again.
yes i agree 6/1 is a price worth taking
regards
nb well done with copeland i hope u waited for him to drift before backing him
I agree  that the jumping has got to be a cause for concern but the impressive thing about Bacchanal is the way he can accelerate out of soft ground to kill a race in half a furlong by taking ten+ lengths out of the field. If the ground is genuinely soft (possibly a big if) he’d have a massive chance.
M.H.,
I’m not saying he’d have no chance on better ground, I just think he’s one of the few horses who can genuinely quicken out of soft. If it was faster I think he’d struggle to stay with a quick jumping galloper like LLT and/or be susceptible to a hold up horse like Marlborough.
<br>johhny boy
i would not think baccanals chance is dependent on soft going as mh points out he has grp1 form on g/f he does need a stamina test which he will get i must admit for him i would prefer the word "firm" not to appear in going description but up to good ground i wouldnt be worried.
re llt he still to my mind has to prove himself at this level (the wincanton race was poor) it can also be said that horses that have had leg trouble dont always jump the same as they did before.
and heres a question when llt won the gc it looked quite impressive but was he actually quickening or was the field of non stayers slowing down???
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