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agreed i do love the arkle tho,so much potential running at such pace,its what nh racings all about for me
I have been a Sizing Europe man all season but the Capt’n has me worried…there were echoes of Moscow Flyer in his last two performances. Although I do not think it is a given he would have won at Leopardstown…SE crossed the line looking very fresh horse with his ears pricked. BTW it was slow pace at Leopardstown despite the normally frantic Osana going off in front.
Somersby wouldn’t quite have the class of those two for me and also will lack experience now.
As far as I can see Sizing Europe and the Capt’ will fight it out. CBB a small winner for me …SE a large one.As how exciting the Gold Cup and Champion Hurdle are as races, I can not wait to see Captain Cee Bee at full flight on good ground at Cheltenham, I think he is going to produce something special. I think he only fell agaisnt Sizing Europe was that he was going that fast.
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I have to laugh at that. This horse is more ground dependant than any horse at the festival. Watch him fly home if it come’s up good.
Also he will have McCoy on board in the Arkle. I trust Tony to have him on a decent stride going into every fence.
Banker Fist? Thats a big change from your arguments with me about 10 or so pages back! I think he was available at 25/1 at the time
That would be just about the same time as I sent my crystal ball to the jewellers for it’s annual dust and shine
it’s a 2 horse race.
Only Long Run can change that.
But it’s tough to split them and anyone suggesting otherwise is merely clasping their a/p voucher a bit too hard. Back them both to the hilt is probably the call, if ya haven’t done so already. Hopefully both don’t hit the deck!!
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thm just to let you know Somersby clocked 4m 1sec when completing the Supreme Nov hurdle on Gd/Sft ground,your Captain Cee Bee covered the same course in 4m 6sec on officially the same ground,that equates to approx 15 lengths!
Keep studying and you too could be a King! a King Prawn Fist!
Thing about me is I do study and unlike yourself not every second post I make can be shot down in flames.
1. Go Native covered the distance in 4m 1sec not Somersby he was 3rd.
2. You are comparing 2 Supreme Hurdles. One run on proper good to soft ground described as perfect racing ground and the other described as tacky and run in 40 mph winds.
3. Due to the above The Arkle, Champion Hurdle and the William Hill were all run in much slower times in 2008 than they were in 2009.
As I said way back he’s a nice horse but for me he falls just short of top class. He ran well 3 times in top class company last season and on each occasion finished 3rd against Go Native, Karabak and El Dancer. In the latter he finished just ahead of the much improved Riverside Theatre. This season he has beaten Crack Away Jack who turned out to be a complete failure over fences and I’m only here to be shot at Tchico Polos.
Now his trainer wants to send him straight to Cheltenham a decision which has me totally confused.
However he lacks nothing in the jumping department and if others do make mistakes and he jumps like he did at Sandown he’s obviously good enough to take advantage advantage.
My plan is simple; I think Nicky Henderson will win the friendly battle he’s having with Wally Cohen and Long Run will go for the Arkle and he Captain Cee Bee and Sizing Europe will head the market. If Long Run does go, the fact Somersby won’t have run since Sandown should see him drift out to around 10/1 -12/1 on the day.
The chances of the front 3 all putting in clear rounds with Osana Tataniano and Riverside Theatre ensuring a very fast pace must be about 1000/1. I’ll be getting stuck into to Captian Cee Bee and taking a place only insurance out on Somersby at around 2.3 with Betfair.
If Long Run doesn’t run then I’ll adjust my bets accordingly.
My first 3 would be Captain Cee Bee, Long Run and Somersby in that order.
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it’s a 2 horse race.
Only Long Run can change that.
But it’s tough to split them and anyone suggesting otherwise is merely clasping their a/p voucher a bit too hard. Back them both to the hilt is probably the call, if ya haven’t done so already. Hopefully both don’t hit the deck!!
As I just said it’s looking more and more likely Long Run will go for the Arkle but if he doesn’t I doubt very much if it’s a two horse race.
Everyone assumes because Sizing Europe and Captain Cee Bee came to the last at Leopardstown together it will be the same in the Arkle.
I would suggest Capatin Cee Bee not only has improved since then, but he was toying with Sizing Europe that day. By that I mean he was ridden to beat him because he happened to be there.
If you go back and watch the race when Sizing Europe made a mistake, Barry picked him up and shot after Osana while Mark just sat there and allowed him to pull 5 or 6 lengths ahead of him again. When he did ask CCB to pick them up he done it with ease and going to the last he wasn’t going so fast as Red very wrongly suggests. Mark had dropped his hands and had him back in cruise control.
I think Captain Cee Bee has the gears to cope with anything thrown at him but Sizing Europe has one and I think he’ll be very lucky to be placed
I have to laugh at that. This horse is more ground dependant than any horse at the festival. Watch him fly home if it come’s up good.
Also he will have McCoy on board in the Arkle. I trust Tony to have him on a decent stride going into every fence.
Banker Fist? Thats a big change from your arguments with me about 10 or so pages back! I think he was available at 25/1 at the time
That would be just about the same time as I sent my crystal ball to the jewellers for it’s annual dust and shine
No bother, you’ve come over to the good side now!
Interesting points about long run. I think he is supremely talented and it would worry me slightly if he lined up in the Arkle against CCB. I hope that after Punchestowns not being overly impressive yesterday, NH will send this for the 3 miler.
What would worry me more is soft ground. Anything G/S or better makes CCB a banker IMO.
Its easy to get put away by trainers but having listened to Henderson interview a few times I thought he was implying that the Warwick run ws to scope for a possible two mile tilt next season and that he will end up in the RSA.
Fist that’s patently nonsense and I suspect you know it.
Forpady didn’t have "gears" and is a bit "one-paced" – he’s a fantastic jumper especially in a big field/strong pace and it is that that won him the Arkle.
CCB fell because he made a mistake, and he made another mistake at the last yesterday. He may put in a clear round in the Arkle, but he’ll have to, because Sizing will be stretching his ‘gears’ out and making him hurt.
Still think Captain Cee Bee is a class act, and will beat Sicknote Europe in the Arkle.
Sizing Europe has won half of all the races he’s contested, and has won every time he’s raced over fences.
You’ll note that’s actually a better record than Captain Cee Bee.
But some people see what they want to see, of course.
While jumping is the game, if Captain Cee Bee stayed on his feet that day Sizing Europe would not have won all his races.
Impossible to know, CCB used a lot of petrol to get on terms, and SE was hardly stopping.
Can’t see why people are so sure of a result that never happened.
But anyway, I’m according
both
horses the respect they deserve imo.
Impossible to know, CCB used a lot of petrol to get on terms, and SE was hardly stopping.
Can’t see why people are so sure of a result that never happened.
But anyway, I’m according
both
horses the respect they deserve imo.
Agreed but at Cheltenham it’s the one that jumps round safely that wins, it seems to rest between the two , If I was a jockey I’d feel a lot safer sat on Sizing Europe, I think the way Captain Cee Bee lands so steeply will cost him dearly coming down the hill
If the period when Sizing Europe was injured or suffering the after effects is ignored, then his record is impeccable
PS I still think Sizing would have won last time out
CCB is the one.
People will have only just stopped drooling over Dunguib’s Supreme win and then just as the Dunguib droolers think they can stop drooling, they’ll have to drool again over CCB’s Arkle win.
It’s going to be special.
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