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How this can show improvement in form of almost 20lbs and not be subject of a stewards inquiry beggars belief.
Yes I appreciate horses improve as the year goes on and I can appreciate they can improve but not at the top level to te degree this did and if it did and it is genuine alls well but at least hold an enquiry to see what the explanation maybe to give the punters some idea as to why it improved so much.
And no I did not have a bet in the race but just despair at the stewards and what little they think of the betting public in generalIt’s far from uncommon for a filly to show strong improvement, especially at this time of the year. Add to that the ground and trip difference versus how she’d been raced this year and it would have left a really sour taste, I think, if an Enquiry had been called.
Afterwards there were obvious reasons why Arabian Queen improved. Ground, pace bias, jockeys allowing her too much rope, from a family (dam) which improved as she got older. Oh and the clincher… trainer in fantastic form. Top three in the betting all under-performed on the ground. Some even thought it possible beforehand.
Stewards Enquirey would’ve given the wrong impression.
Value Is EverythingDid you tip it Ginge , I take my hat off to you if you did.
Without the favourite, still kudos to you.Dis you tip it Ginge , I take my hat off to you if you did.
Tipped it @ 50/1 on my thread in the betting without market. But overnight someone took my 189/1 bet to win outright (160.64/1 with deductions).
Unfortunately stake was only £2. :lol:
Value Is EverythingThere are a whole host of valid reasons why she won, it was a shock but it happens. I just can’t fathom how she has improved so much from only 3 weeks ago when nearly 4 lengths behind Legattissimo.
Are we going to get a reaction calling on the weight system to be looked at?
Getting 11 lbs from The Grey Gatsby and beating him over 3 lengths makes it look like she has far too much of an advantage in a race like this.‘wrong impression’ – what gives a wrong impression is NOT having an enquiry into the improvement. Ok there are plenty plausible reasons but at least ask the question.
I have backed her more times than not but there were no logical reasons why she won today. That is why she was such a big price.
I backed her in the Nassau and may have napped her in Forum competition. She ran well enough but she was effectively trounced and there was absolutely nothing in that performance that suggested she would win today.
Yes, the ground was softer but not to the extent that it should have produced such a massive improvement.
Dettori has got enough cash, nice to see the
lesser guys getting a slice of the cake .‘wrong impression’ – what gives a wrong impression is NOT having an enquiry into the improvement. Ok there are plenty plausible reasons but at least ask the question.
Holding an enquirey in to a race suggests stewards believe something might be wrong. If there are “plenty of plausible reasons” why suggest there might be something wrong? It only gives punters and public the wrong impression… And if you hold an enquirey even when it can be seen there’s “plenty plausible reasons” you’d be suggesting something might be wrong in thousands more races.
Value Is EverythingDettori had a pacemaker,who did his job correctly,he,Dettori sat off the pace pulling the back teeth out of Golden Horn,he failed badly to settle him that way instead of letting the horse gallop up with the pace. Johnny G said as much and he is one of our top trainers. Dettori never blames himself,always his horse. He does more knitting in a finish than my Grandmother ever did. I should think Johnny G will be fuming over Dettori more likely.
I have to disagree Ginge. In a high profile race when a horse at 50/1 wins and fair dues for picking and backing her, that improves 20lb it would seem sensible to hold an enquiry. Nobody would suggest anything was wrong but it would be nice for the general public to get some explanation even if there was none as to why the trainer thought the horse had improved so much in a relative short space of time.
The running of golden horn and the grey gatsby would suggest they ran true to form and not below form.Dettori had a pacemaker,who did his job correctly,he,Dettori sat off the pace pulling the back teeth out of Golden Horn,he failed badly to settle him that way instead of letting the horse gallop up with the pace. Johnny G said as much and he is one of our top trainers. Dettori never blames himself,always his horse. He does more knitting in a finish than my Grandmother ever did. I should think Johnny G will be fuming over Dettori more likely.
Horses pull, that’s not always the fault of jockey and certainly not in this case. Golden Horn pulled in the early stages of the Derby too, but thanks to a strong pace and being able to get in behind horses he settled. It could be that had they not run from the front at Sandown Golden Horn may have settled better with others in front of him at York. That’s again nobody’s fault.
No, Johnny G did not “say as much”. There was no criticism of Dettori by Johnny G, he understands what can happen.
Value Is EverythingGinge – horse wins Hunt Cup showing 21lbs improvement on last race. Would you expect an enquiry?
The lack of an enquiry highlights the arbitrary nature of stewarding. Plenty horses showing less improvement than Arabian Queen will have their running enquired into. What are the criteria for demanding an explanation? Shouldn’t they be clear and defined?I have to disagree Ginge. In a high profile race when a horse at 50/1 wins and fair dues for picking and backing her, that improves 20lb it would seem sensible to hold an enquiry. Nobody would suggest anything was wrong but it would be nice for the general public to get some explanation even if there was none as to why the trainer thought the horse had improved so much in a relative short space of time.
The running of golden horn and the grey gatsby would suggest they ran true to form and not below form.Arabian improved around 12 lbs, 14 at most Droffats, not 20.
Again, just because a horse is 50/1 does not mean there’s anything wrong. Reasons for the improvement are obvious so is pointless holding an enquirey.
Running of other horses behind Golden Horn and The Grey Gatsby suggest they were below form; but not as much as some seem to be making out.
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