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    A clue: the trainer’s two Grand National successes came in consecutive years.

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    Another clue: the trainer’s two winners were related.

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    A guess – Robert Gore?

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    Sorry, Yeats, not Bob Gore. The trainer I’m looking for is from an earlier era, to recap:

    Which dual Grand National winning trainer reputedly refused to doff his titfer to a magpie one day at Bourton Hill and broke his collarbone less than 15 minutes later when his mount fell at a gate (it goes without saying he politely raised his hat to all magpies thereafter!)?

    The trainer’s two GN victories were in successive years and the horses were related.

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    Although not always conversant with Grand National minutiae I’m aware that Emblem (1863) and Emblematic (1864) were full sisters, being by 1851 Derby winner Teddington out of Miss Batty.

    For some strange reason I had it in mind these two mares were both trained by Capt. Machell. Not so it appears, and I now believe the required answer is Edwin Weever, Capt. Machell not having offended any magpies during his distinguished but often shady career.

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    Yes, well done again, Seasider:

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Aft4c9GauRsC&pg=PA661&lpg=PA661&dq=edwin+weever&source=bl&ots=iBWm5LZ4Sp&sig=byjxgO7ocsWopls3XtP0W-dUDHw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwhbGP2enYAhXJL8AKHTeOC6cQ6AEILjAC#v=onepage&q=edwin%20weever&f=false

    I put up the source as much because it must be the longest URL on record!

    The first Cpt James Machell trained runner was Gardener, 3rd in 1869. Any source material for Machell would be welcome. I have it that he relinquished training duties to John Maunsell Richardson until their short and fruitful partnership ended in acrimony. Thereafter, I believe Machell called the shots even though the licence was held by Joe Cannon and James Jewitt at times. Both were still riding, both trained for other owners, Cannon for longer. On my site I am trying to name the actual trainer not merely who held the licence and I’m still not sure I have the Machell/Cannon/Jewitt conundrum correct.

    Anyway, back over to you.

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    GM, my information concerning Machell derives solely from books about his contemporaries e.g. George Lambton, Fred Archer and possibly Bob Sievier. There’s not that much of it.

    There is a book by Richard Onslow called Captain Mac-Hell: James Machell 1837-1902 available from Amazon third party sellers, minimum price £14.99 in hardback. I can’t vouch for the content but I’m sure I’ve read the author at sometime or other.

    Perhaps you could buy the volume and let me know if it’s any good. If it is then I could order it as well. Or borrow your copy.

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    Thanks, Seasider, if I buy that book you can most certainly borrow or have it. I’m very tempted but will see how I go over the next few weeks of typing up Nationals from handwritten into the embryo website. I’m about to embark upon 1871 and have just jotted down some fresh notes re the Machell/Cannon/Jewitt quandary so I’ll take it year-by-year. If I don’t feel happy that I’ve nailed the actual trainer in each case I’ll have to take a shot that the book will enlighten me!

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    Well, GM, having a passing interest in 19th century racing I think I’ll buy the book anyway. I’ll get back to you when it arrives, and when I’ve read it.

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    From a betting point of view, what circumstance distinguished the 2000 Oaks from previous renewals.

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    This circumstance was not totally new.

    A not dissimilar activity was in use during much of the 18th century, the focus of which was a racecourse feature known as the betting post.

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    Hi Seasider. Was it the first renewal of the Oaks for which an online betting exchange was in operation?

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    Hi GM – that’s the correct answer and well done.

    In fact, the 2000 Oaks saw the first ever Betfair market for any race. 22 participants struck a total of 63 bets matching £1,476 between them. Before bookmakers began offering prices against every horse in a race, the first being a gentleman named Harry Ogden sometime in the 1790s, the racecourse betting post was the centre of activity. Backers and layers alike would gather there and exchange bets according to their fancy, a system we are now all familiar with albeit online rather than in person.

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    Thanks, Seasider, I thought the 2000 Oaks was probably the first race of any kind for which there was an online exchange.

    In which Grand National of the Victorian era did a cat win while a doggie trailed home sixth and last?

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    In which Grand National of the Victorian era did a cat win while a doggie trailed home sixth and last?

    Clue: jockeys’ nicknames!

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    In which Grand National of the Victorian era did a cat win while a doggie trailed home sixth and last?

    Clue: jockeys’ nicknames!

    Clue: the previous year’s winner had to be pulled up when the bridle broke and came off after a bad mistake at the 2nd.

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    In which Grand National of the Victorian era did a cat win while a doggie trailed home sixth and last?

    Clue: jockeys’ nicknames!

    Clue: the previous year’s winner had to be pulled up when the bridle broke and came off after a bad mistake at the 2nd.

    Clue: at the same fence (Fan) on the second circuit the 100/15 favourite was knocked into by spectators upon landing, fell and brought down two others.

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