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Hi,Uglymare; what’s a diatribe?Is it like Aidans description of Camelot in reverse?
Its like a philippic Andy.
Anyone know what’s happening with Imperial Monarch? I cannot understand why they did not retire St Nic after his great Breeders Cup win. Now he should go the Gold Cup route as a form of damage limitation.
Is anyone else a bit insulted by Aidan’s claim that Camelot is the best he’s trained? I can’t help feeling sorry for the likes of Rock Of Gibralter, Hawk Wing, Galileo, Mozart, Giants Causeway and probably a few more I’m forgetting who IMO were much better than Camelot. It just stinks of trying to salvage a stud price from the failed triple crown attempt. This years 3 year olds are V below average and Camelot got shown up in the Leger and the Arc. If he won the Leger there’s a 0% chance he would had ran in the Arc as they know his limitations.
The Frankel campaign has been safe, safe, safe – and good luck to them they have nurtured an undefeated champion perfectly. They are not gamblers.
The Camelot campaign has been more risky – and good luck to them they showed him off to their home crowd despite the ground, they had a go at the Triple Crown and came an honourable second. The owners are gamblers.
Here we go again. "Safe, safe, safe".An alternative way of looking at it is:
Coolmore knew they had a "top class" racehorse. We got the usual spin from team Ballydoyle, "
He’s the best I’ve trained
, can you hear me breeders? I said he’s the best I’ve ever trained"!
Ye, right. They knew he wasn’t anywhere near the class of Frankel. The same Frankel who had his campaign mapped out, anyone who wanted to take him on, could take him on. There for the taking. ie "Come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough". Of course there weren’t many takers, so many alternative Group 1’s these days, connections can swerve the very best horses.Coolmore knew had they kept Camelot to middle-distances (like most Derby winners) there’d be an outcry if his campaign didn’t include taking on Frankel at York. Therefore, by going for the St Leger (for which he started long odds-on, ie much the most likely winner) Coolmore went the SAFE route. Afterwards, they no longer had an unbeaten colt, so could no longer fool people in to thinking he’s a superhorse. Now they needed to show some winning form in a top class race…
They kept the Arc option open. When Danedream and Nathaniel came out they saw their chance. In all probability the race would not take as much winning as usual and made a calculated decision (not a "gamble" at all). Anyone else think there seemed too many excuses to be true in post race interviews? Cut leg, shoe came off, long campaign etc etc etc. Damage limitation?
Completely agree. It will interesting to see what kind of campaign Camelot has next year, how agressively campaigned will he be after he trots up in the Tattersalls Gold Cup especially if a real 3 year-old middle distance star emerges.
Camelot, I feel may end up a bit like a St Nicholas Abbey, a top class talented colt that will win G1’s but ultimately a little bit below the cream.
Would I eat yogurt with a fork? no because I would get the most out of my cartoon using a spoon.
Surely getting the best out of your horse is paramount hence Frankel has been campaigned perfectly, he’s always performed at his best we can see that.
I think Aiden O’Brien was trying to eat his yogurt with his nose this year regarding Camelot and the comment to me was rather sour.
Those that say it has been a safe campaign only want the horse to falter so in 10-15 years they can say he "lost this" it means he wasn’t really a "stayer" when the comparison comes with another great in the future.
At the minute we have absolute perfection, Henry Cecil has left a golden tint of what could have been and a question that will burn in the night forever long past our lifetimes but did he need to stay a mile and half? if he did, we’d all question if the horse could go further and it would never end until he was beaten.
The fact that Sir Henry has remained in total control throughout the horses career has to be one of the greatest stories in Horse Racing, every day must of been a pleasure getting up with that horse in your yard but the devilish temptation to try and do something outlandish to "break new ground" knowing you could probably have a fair crack at it with the animal must of been hard.
We’ve had horses win over all sorts of trips, we’ve had all sorts of horses breaking track achievements but we’ve never had a FRANKEL!, that’s testament to Sir Henry who hasn’t changed the image or the persona of the horse he’s kept him as he was, the horse goes out there and races as FRANKEL every time with a mind blowing sense of ambition, will to please and a consistency we’ve never seen before and he’s never lost Frankel at any stage of his career which could have been such an easy thing to do.
The story will never end, his probable immortality on a racecourse will leave many squandering in dispare trying to find answers as to why he wasn’t tested further but the truth of the matter is we’ve lived in the Frankel era, every racing fan has turned up to see Frankel because of who the horse is, we never complained he was running over a mile, we never complained he was running over 7 or 10 furlongs which pays enormous credit to the connections who has brought a country closer together with the sport of horse racing in enlightening those who wanted to come and see brilliance, who wanted to come and be apart of a unique social gathering in that togetherness was rife behind a horse who turned the very best opposition of his era into mere bystanders.
Hi Eclipse First now you have Ugly Mare confused.The old gray mare she ain’t what she used to be.For long paragraphs try Charles Lamb’s essays.
Hi,Uglymare; what’s a diatribe?Is it like Aidans description of Camelot in reverse?
…yes, you could say that… very good
Would I eat yogurt with a fork? no because I would get the most out of my cartoon using a spoon.
Surely getting the best out of your horse is paramount hence Frankel has been campaigned perfectly, he’s always performed at his best we can see that.
I think Aiden O’Brien was trying to eat his yogurt with his nose this year regarding Camelot and the comment to me was rather sour.
Those that say it has been a safe campaign only want the horse to falter so in 10-15 years they can say he "lost this" it means he wasn’t really a "stayer" when the comparison comes with another great in the future.
At the minute we have absolute perfection, Henry Cecil has left a golden tint of what could have been and a question that will burn in the night forever long past our lifetimes but did he need to stay a mile and half? if he did, we’d all question if the horse could go further and it would never end until he was beaten.
The fact that Sir Henry has remained in total control throughout the horses career has to be one of the greatest stories in Horse Racing, every day must of been a pleasure getting up with that horse in your yard but the devilish temptation to try and do something outlandish to "break new ground" knowing you could probably have a fair crack at it with the animal must of been hard.
We’ve had horses win over all sorts of trips, we’ve had all sorts of horses breaking track achievements but we’ve never had a FRANKEL!, that’s testament to Sir Henry who hasn’t changed the image or the persona of the horse he’s kept him as he was, the horse goes out there and races as FRANKEL every time with a mind blowing sense of ambition, will to please and a consistency we’ve never seen before and he’s never lost Frankel at any stage of his career which could have been such an easy thing to do.
The story will never end, his probable immortality on a racecourse will leave many squandering in dispare trying to find answers as to why he wasn’t tested further but the truth of the matter is we’ve lived in the Frankel era, every racing fan has turned up to see Frankel because of who the horse is, we never complained he was running over a mile, we never complained he was running over 7 or 10 furlongs which pays enormous credit to the connections who has brought a country closer together with the sport of horse racing in enlightening those who wanted to come and see brilliance, who wanted to come and be apart of a unique social gathering in that togetherness was rife behind a horse who turned the very best opposition of his era into mere bystanders.
Contender for post of the year!
Oh come on Hammy you can do better than attributing evil motives to those of us who seek the truth about Frankel’s stamina limitations.What did Sir Henry know and when did he know it?Frankel had a weakness known only to Sir Henry.A weakness that he concealed from the racing public by refusing to allow them to see Frankel racing over longer distances.A weakness that would tarnish Frankel’s reputation as a sire and reduce his value to his wonderful owner.But what was that flaw and how can we ever find out?Was it a wind problem or was it genetic? Was it weak feet? Must we go to our graves like Sir Henry but we in ignorance and he bearing within his bosom the great secret of Frankels unknown flaw?
Oh come on Hammy you can do better than attributing evil motives to those of us who seek the truth about Frankel’s stamina limitations.What did Sir Henry know and when did he know it?Frankel had a weakness known only to Sir Henry.A weakness that he concealed from the racing public by refusing to allow them to see Frankel racing over longer distances.A weakness that would tarnish Frankel’s reputation as a sire and reduce his value to his wonderful owner.But what was that flaw and how can we ever find out?Was it a wind problem or was it genetic? Was it weak feet? Must we go to our graves like Sir Henry but we in ignorance and he bearing within his bosom the great secret of Frankels unknown flaw?
Andy we can debate it until the cows come home, but your line of reasoning regarding Frankel’s ‘stamina’ doesn’t even warrant a response IMO. That’s not meant to be rude. I just cannot relate to the idea that a great horse is only great when it has been allowed to lose at a distance its trainer didn’t believe it would get.
You might as well beat on about how See You Then was a fraud because his trainer didn’t campaign him over 3m chases. Or Lochsong because she wasn’t run over the Ayr Gold Cup trip. It’s complete nonsense as far as I’m concerned
Hammy, Lochsong won the Ayr Gold Cup in 1992.
Trust you to spot that EF.
It’s a freudian slip, of course I meant Ascot.
Would I eat yogurt with a fork? no because I would get the most out of my cartoon using a spoon.
Surely getting the best out of your horse is paramount hence Frankel has been campaigned perfectly, he’s always performed at his best we can see that.
I think Aiden O’Brien was trying to eat his yogurt with his nose this year regarding Camelot and the comment to me was rather sour.
Those that say it has been a safe campaign only want the horse to falter so in 10-15 years they can say he "lost this" it means he wasn’t really a "stayer" when the comparison comes with another great in the future.
At the minute we have absolute perfection, Henry Cecil has left a golden tint of what could have been and a question that will burn in the night forever long past our lifetimes but did he need to stay a mile and half? if he did, we’d all question if the horse could go further and it would never end until he was beaten.
The fact that Sir Henry has remained in total control throughout the horses career has to be one of the greatest stories in Horse Racing, every day must of been a pleasure getting up with that horse in your yard but the devilish temptation to try and do something outlandish to "break new ground" knowing you could probably have a fair crack at it with the animal must of been hard.
We’ve had horses win over all sorts of trips, we’ve had all sorts of horses breaking track achievements but we’ve never had a FRANKEL!, that’s testament to Sir Henry who hasn’t changed the image or the persona of the horse he’s kept him as he was, the horse goes out there and races as FRANKEL every time with a mind blowing sense of ambition, will to please and a consistency we’ve never seen before and he’s never lost Frankel at any stage of his career which could have been such an easy thing to do.
The story will never end, his probable immortality on a racecourse will leave many squandering in dispare trying to find answers as to why he wasn’t tested further but the truth of the matter is we’ve lived in the Frankel era, every racing fan has turned up to see Frankel because of who the horse is, we never complained he was running over a mile, we never complained he was running over 7 or 10 furlongs which pays enormous credit to the connections who has brought a country closer together with the sport of horse racing in enlightening those who wanted to come and see brilliance, who wanted to come and be apart of a unique social gathering in that togetherness was rife behind a horse who turned the very best opposition of his era into mere bystanders.
Contender for post of the year!
Hear Hear!!! Great Post.
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