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  • #1717677
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    Yes I did watch the video thanks moehat, made by activists.
    Go on then, rather than just provide a link made by someone else, in your own words tell me how he would be dangerous?

    #1717681
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    just because Musk has found a new way to try to influence people it is much the same thing Labour did

    Nonsense, for reasons I already said.

    And it still does not answer why you think Reform are a threat, a threat to who?

    Also already answered.

    Reform and their billionaire chums don’t give a toss about me, you, the country or anything else other than themselves whatever they might tell you.

    #1717684
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    And why do you believe they don’t care about us Richard? What’s in it for them?

    #1717686
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    You could start with Farage’s attendance record, both in the European Parliament and now ours. He doesn’t turn up to the job we pay him for very often but he’s got plenty of time to swan off to America to crawl up Trump’s backside and do various other lucrative side gigs. Just yesterday he couldn’t even be bothered to turn up for the debate about grooming gangs, a subject he wants you to think he cares about very much. No doubt he’ll find the time to go to Trump’s inauguration though. That’s not the behaviour of someone who cares about his constituents.

    The party has some very wealthy backers, some of whom are foreign citizens. If you think they’re doing it for your benefit then you’re wrong. Don’t say you weren’t warned. As I said, Tice himself spoke out against wealthy foreigners interfering with our politics.

    Personally I’ve long said I’d stop all MPs having any sort of job outside Parliament at all, plenty of them are at it, although not to the extent Farage is. They have a very good salary, pension and expenses allowance. Should be quite enough for any of them.

    So why, assume you do of course, do you think they do care about us?

    #1717687
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    I thought he was pretty effective in the EU Parliament, don’t you Richard?

    If you had been approached by the most powerful man in the World and built a good relationship and friendship with him, why not see him, I expect you would.

    Farage wasn’t at the rape gang debate because he was in another room an hour before with many other MPs involved and speaking at the debate about the petition with over 3 million votes calling for another election. He was told to stay there until the sitting finished which ended about the same time the rape gang debate did I believe. I’m sure he would have consulted with Lee Anderson on what question to ask.

    Farage has recently bought a house in Clacton, and will see his constituent’s more. Already the local’s have said they have seen more of Farage than their previous MP of eight years.

    Yes, I do believe the Reform people do care for this country, and us, something Labour and Conservative have and are failing to do on an epic scale.

    #1717691
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    He was effective in getting the UK ( or, at least, 2/5 of it) to vote to leave the EU. And, in a couple of years, will be eligible for a huge EU pension, even though he hardly ever bothered to turn up. I’m sure the people of Clacton have seen more of Farage than their previous MP;on the tv that is. Has he now got an office there? Is he now holding surgeries? My ex has just studied Reforms ‘manifesto/contract’. He says that it sounds good, superficially, until you go into the detail, because it just promises everybody everything. If people think that Farage, Tice and ( God help us) Lee Anderson are the saviours of this country sobeit. I’ll be too old to see how that turns out.

    #1717745
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    Last word on this as we’re going round in circles.

    I don’t see how someone who hardly bothered turning up can be seen as ‘effective’.

    And quite why he went to a pointless ‘debate’ about a petition instead is anyone’s guess. No Reform MPs at today’s debate about violence against women and girls either. One of them was once jailed for it.

    Like I said before, they are good at talking and telling you what you want to hear but have nothing beyond that.

    Carry on pretending they’re somehow different to Labour and the Tories if you wish but all the evidence is right in front of your eyes that they are in fact worse. Just another group of Establishment figures trying to con you into thinking they aren’t.

    #1717771
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    I find it amusing that the left consider Farage & Reform a threat but would have been quite happy to put Corbyn in Downing St with all his distasteful views.
    good luck to all

    #1717774
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    “Rachel from Accounts” has really screwed things up. What a mess.
    Bond yields spiking and, for longer, than the Truss debacle.
    2025 is the year when there will be a huge spike in re-mortgages, as those on cheap 5-year fixes, look to remortgage.

    This government has all, but stopped growth that was spouting green shoots, in 1st half of 2024.

    £BNs ‘bunged’ to the bloated public sector with NO productivity improvement plans implemented.

    Dear, oh dear :negative:

    #1717825
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    Wilts if your saying mortgage rates are going up when do you see the interest rates increasing , or are you talking about the Truss budget and the effect of it ? , those coming of the low rates are being hit by the effects of the Tory government not the Labour one , are people really thinking we,’ll go back to interest rates of.5 or 1% …

    #1717836
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    Have Labour done well on the economy? Not particularly but it doesn’t get reset to zero on a change on government. Whatever you think of claims of black holes or anything else, they inherited a mess.

    It’s not just mortgage rates, it’s house prices relative to income. When the rates went mad after Truss, you had the old folk sounding like a Monty Python sketch telling us that 5-6% was luxury and back in their day it was well into double figures, conveniently forgetting that an average house was about three or four times a normal income. A quick search says that’s up over eight now, wouldn’t be surprised it’s higher in some areas. Like I said before, we have a cost of housing crisis more than anything.

    Not all doom and gloom though, by last Saturday 12 million people had already booked a holiday abroad for this year. Plenty of people doing just fine thank you very much. I don’t blame them either, bollocks to saving for a future that might never come.

    #1717843
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    Also while the pound is weak the FTSE has started the year solidly , many think the US market may fall this year so it may might be the FTSE looks a safer place to invest , if Trump start like a bull in China shop then it makes that chance lol stronger

    #1718489
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    Almost fell off my chair laughing this morning watching Lammy grovel,with this following ‘never here Keir’ being on his bike again and who could forget ‘Rachel from accounts’ jaunt to China …. £600 million over FIVE years …. it really is quite laughable.
    If Trump sets out to humiliate Starmer and Labour they have only themselves to blame but what could make it worse is it could spill over into the tariffs he’s talked about.Trump isn’t one to forgive and forget and Labour’s position of cosying up to the EU could see the UK treated the same way.
    good luck to all

    #1718502
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    Well listening to Trumps speech, America comes first 2nd and third.
    If Starmer thinks the “Special Relationship” will bring the US and
    “great” Britain closer together. I think Starmer is out on a limb,
    and the disaster, otherwise known as Brexit, leaves us having to go
    cap in hand to the very people we had a good deal with to try and get
    our trade moving again at no doubt a lesser arrangement.

    #1718523
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    Big G, we went to China cap in hand..Im sure we will be fine now. :yes:
    The company I work for used to sell a few £ millions of machinery out there from 2010 to Covid, I miss the place and me Manderin is slacking. The local Chinese take away to me in UK speak Cantonese, bugger. :wacko:
    I miss me visa trips to Hong Kong while working on the mainland and unfortunately that involved killing time at Happy Valley or Sha Tin. Then a pint or xx of real ale at the White Hart down Wanchi. With a real English breakfast at a cafe there in the mornings, Fried Bread, Black Pud, Heinz Beans etc…god I was so lucky and those were great days.
    Never felt the same about working in USA OR Europe.

    #1718524
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    Sounds like happy times indeed Landafar. I think you would have to go with a rather larger
    cap this time.
    Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and China was £87.7
    billion in the four quarters to the end of Q2 2024, a decrease of 20.3% or £22.4 billion in
    current prices from the four quarters to the end of Q2 2023.20 Dec 2024.

    Looking for the European figures but at the moment I can only access the 2023 figures, at this
    time of night that will have to do.
    The EU is an important trade partner for the UK: in 2023, UK exports of goods and services to
    the EU were £356 billion (42% of all UK exports). Imports from the EU were £466 billion
    (52% of the UK total).

    Please Mrs Von Der Leyen, can we have our old deal back.

    Now I’m not the greatest with figures, but in layman’s terms I think that means we’re stuffed.

    #1718525
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    If things are so grim why is the FTSE flying , who is investing in it ?

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