Snow bet

Correct score 0-0 & No Goal Scorer – what I have done is place a double (two events happening) on one outcome – one part of the bet ‘directly contributes’ to the other and this is clearly a related contingence.

In the case of placing a double on it snowing in Edinburgh and London on the same day where does one ‘directly contribute’ to the other to make the bet void?

These are both related contingencies with the former simply being more ‘extreme’ than the latter in that it’s essentially the same bet worded differently. So Sean Graham’s rule to settle such bets accepted in error as two singles with stake divided is correct, if rather generous. Personally I’d void any such bet a punter tried to place and show him the door.

The latter case is more open to personal interpretation but it remains obvious to me that snow in one part of the country ‘directly contributes’ to the chance of it occuring elsewhere at the same time/on the same day, which is I believe is what the Ladbrokes punter bet stipulated

To re-iterate Are Zen’s example:

7/1 Newcastle
7/1 Gateshead
7/1 South Shields
7/1 Sunderland

I’m offering 7/1, as they well know, not multiplied odds (4000/1)

Snow in Newcastle offered at 7/1. It snows there. Is it still a 7/1 chance snow will fall across the river in Gateshead? Nope more like 1/7 or whatever It is absurd to believe the chance of it happening at all four places is 4096/1 i.e the full multiple Yankee.

To use your KG & GC example – would there be a related contingence to make the bet void if I placed a double on a horse winning the Derby and the following years Cheltenham Gold Cup?

No because the chance of it happening are infinitesimal, infact non-existent as 4yos can’t run in the GC so any ‘honourable’ bookmaker would also void this bet or refund stake if accepted in error as it ‘can’t be won’

However, where the related parts of the bet are resolved at different times the bet will be settled as instructed, with the price for the second or subsequent legs being determined at each individual stage.

Example: £10 Double, Henman to win Semi-Final @ 3.50 with Henman to win the tournament outright @ 3.00, is settled as a £10 Double, Henman to win Semi-Final @ 3.50 with the price for Henman to win outright being the odds on offer after winning the Semi-Final. In the event of Henman losing either the Semi-Final or Final, the bet is lost.

This is essentially what I was rattling on about: the second part of a double cannot be accepted at the odds on offer before the first part won if deemed ‘related’ i.e it increases the chance of the second part winning.

Anyway in addition to them being related, multiple bets such as snow on Christmas Day at different locations comprise an accumulation of simultaneous bets settled at the same time so a bookmaker is unlikely to knowingly lay such a bet at any odds greater than the single in one town as it can’t be hedged i.e liabilities don’t ‘run-up’ they go from zero to pay-pay in one step

As may have become apparent by now I’m no fan of nor apologist for bookmakers but the ‘related contingency’ rules are correct and fair and, I have to say, bleedin’ obvious IMO

King Kong
I would imagine the shop staff
nervously refer to you as the goliath
and as far as correcting you on your slip,
they would rather save you the 200 odd sobs
than have improper justice meted out on them
at the hands of your other nickname
the rib breaker

Perhaps we should start a club

The ribcagecrackers

but more preferred

The ribtakers

My pen creates
but a small shadow
beside me
as a life of action
beckons to rage
the sun full up
to throw down shafts
and swords of light
for members to carry arms
to beat the yellow
that exposes the unfortunates’
ribs as they yell.

by

A. Thug

better than mine

I took mine off the top of my head
while it was still there

I’ll take that kindly king

when you are a king
never do a thing
dont even view a race
save with timely grace

Greville Starkey’s Lincoln win
on Star of a Gunner was my last
ante post race. Good luck to you
and your large distant eyes
mine are slitty and watch the clock