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After the curragh today Johannes vermeers form looks rock solid and as he improved loads on his last run he looks a serious player now. He heads to the lagadere now where gleneagles lost out in the stewards room Last year. I would say if he wins well there could well be vying for favouritism for Guineas and Derby.Still not sure regards foundation and deauville but like many others think long term deauville is the better prospect. With shalaa likely to stick to sprinting I’d get on Air Force blue and Johannes Vermeer ante post now as their prices could well plummet in a couple of weeks. There could be a few back end maiden winners like hit the bomb today could also enter calculations. Coolmore looks a great prospect over a mile plus and finished with quite a rattle. BallyDoyle look to have a strong group of 2yos and hopefully a stronger hand for the derby than this years crop,
Somewhat surprised to see Coolmore out again tomorrow and at 7f again. She has been beaten twice at odds-on in maiden company and looked to me as if a mile was the least she needed this year. Up into a group 3 here I find it hard to see any value in her at 4/1.
Bizarrely, Timeform give her a blurb that states “Should continue to give a good account”, I don’t normally consider a horse beaten at odds-on twice to be doing much that is to be labelled as “good” but hey ho.
It seems Timeform knew what they were on about.
Value Is EverythingLovely photos Jac.
I think Johnston said Lumiere had gone in her coat although I could of heard wrong.
If a horse has gone in their coat, how would this effect her performance, I’d take it as a negative comment so does it mean she ran even better considering this…..???ps I’ve stolen one of your photos of Lumiere, I want to put it on facebook if you don’t mind?
I’ll credit it as yours of course.Thanks Nathan I thought you would like them
No way has Lumiere gone in her coat, just look at her in the picture maybe a little bit of wooliness under her tummy but nothing to worry about, I’ve seen horses ‘gone in their coat’ win races although some take it as a negative and I really don’t know why either. Mark Johnston is never known for giving any clues away as to the wellbeing of his team maybe he was just trying to psyche out the opposition.
Of course I don’t mind you stealing one of my pictures for facebook Nathan I take that as a big compliment, been quite pleased with the photos from my mini Nikon Coolpix and as I’m always saying horses and children make the most fantastic subjects.. Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...“I hoped she was probably the best horse in the race, but I wasn’t sure if she had the experience or the condition for it. She had gone in her coat. I’ve only got four horses like that and she’s one of them.
I thought she looked great, I’ve just looked and found the above quote from the sporting life…….
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Lovely photos Jac.
I think Johnston said Lumiere had gone in her coat although I could of heard wrong.
If a horse has gone in their coat, how would this effect her performance, I’d take it as a negative comment so does it mean she ran even better considering this…..???imo,
“Gone in her coat” can be a negative Nathan. Heard it said that coat is the first thing to go; ie a sign a horse is about to lose its form – if not already. Although to be fair, doesn’t seem to make any difference whatsoever with a few.So impossible to say whether it made a difference to Lumiere or not. Is encouraging though; if turning up at Newmarket with a poor coat it won’t be as big a negative as it would be with others.
Value Is EverythingSomewhat surprised to see Coolmore out again tomorrow and at 7f again. She has been beaten twice at odds-on in maiden company and looked to me as if a mile was the least she needed this year. Up into a group 3 here I find it hard to see any value in her at 4/1.
Bizarrely, Timeform give her a blurb that states “Should continue to give a good account”, I don’t normally consider a horse beaten at odds-on twice to be doing much that is to be labelled as “good” but hey ho.
It seems Timeform knew what they were on about.
Timeform tipped How High The Moon, why don’t you piss off dickhead.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Tabarrak has an entry on Wednesday at Salisbury, I don’t think he will run with Hannon happy to give him a break and with it being over 6f wants 7f minimum imo also owner Hamdan Al Maktoum has the Charlie Hills horse Elronaq who was 3 lengths down to Shalaa in the July stakes in the same race.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Somewhat surprised to see Coolmore out again tomorrow and at 7f again. She has been beaten twice at odds-on in maiden company and looked to me as if a mile was the least she needed this year. Up into a group 3 here I find it hard to see any value in her at 4/1.
Bizarrely, Timeform give her a blurb that states “Should continue to give a good account”, I don’t normally consider a horse beaten at odds-on twice to be doing much that is to be labelled as “good” but hey ho.
It seems Timeform knew what they were on about.
Timeform tipped How High The Moon, why don’t you piss off dickhead.
Language Steve.
Timeform were right about Coolmore though, “sure to give a good account”, she gave a good account. The amount of times you come back after a race and say “I said he’d do this”. Thought you’d be gracious enough to give Timeform some credit.
If you want to consider Timeform’s “tip” as their “1” of the 1-2-3 – up to you. But be aware it is written before they know what ground they’re racing on and what price the horses are; so does not take value in to account. Timeform Jury often come up with a different selection.Calm down Steve, you don’t expect to get it right every time do you?
Genuinely fear for your health, you’ve been over-reacting a few times recently – not only with me. I recognise the signs mate. Please do some BS tests.
Value Is EverythingSomewhat surprised to see Coolmore out again tomorrow and at 7f again. She has been beaten twice at odds-on in maiden company and looked to me as if a mile was the least she needed this year. Up into a group 3 here I find it hard to see any value in her at 4/1.
Bizarrely, Timeform give her a blurb that states “Should continue to give a good account”, I don’t normally consider a horse beaten at odds-on twice to be doing much that is to be labelled as “good” but hey ho.
It seems Timeform knew what they were on about.
Timeform tipped How High The Moon, why don’t you piss off dickhead.
Language Steve.
Timeform were right about Coolmore though, “sure to give a good account”, she gave a good account. The amount of times you come back after a race and say “I said he’d do this”. Thought you’d be gracious enough to give Timeform some credit.
If you want to consider Timeform’s “tip” as their “1” of the 1-2-3 – up to you. But be aware it is written before they know what ground they’re racing on and what price the horses are; so does not take value in to account. Timeform Jury often come up with a different selection.Calm down Steve, you don’t expect to get it right every time do you?
Genuinely fear for your health, you’ve been over-reacting a few times recently – not only with me. I recognise the signs mate. Please do some BS tests.
You are trolling Mark. Please stop it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Seems you’re allowed to sxxt on Timeform or anyone else’s way of doing things/opinion without anyone being allowed a reply then Steve. This is a forum for “discussion”.
Value Is EverythingHannon suggests Tabarrak has plenty of speed so it’s all systems go tomorrow.
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Seems you’re allowed to sxxt on Timeform or anyone else’s way of doing things/opinion without anyone being allowed a reply then Steve. This is a forum for “discussion”.
Leave my health out of any “discussion” you think you are having.
Bringing my health into this and suggesting it is impairing my judgement is a dirty trick from a low-life scumbag.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Seems you’re allowed to sxxt on Timeform or anyone else’s way of doing things/opinion without anyone being allowed a reply then Steve. This is a forum for “discussion”.
Leave my health out of any “discussion” you think you are having.
Bringing my health into this and suggesting it is impairing my judgement is a dirty trick from a low-life scumbag.
Am concerned for you Steve, that’s all. Stop trying to see the worst in people and instead focus on their words. Last time taking to abusive language like this it was you who used the excuse of your health. I’ve been very restrained in my language, have not responded in kind and even made excuses for you. But fair enough, if it is not blood/sugar levels then there are no excuses for your abusive behaviour.
Stop calling me names and get back to what you know about – the horses.
Value Is EverythingHannon suggests Tabarrak has plenty of speed so it’s all systems go tomorrow.
I’d be concerned about Richard Hannon’s form at the moment Nathan. It’s bound to change at some point, 40+ runs without a win is almost unheard of for Hannon! I’ve opposed Tabarrak with Projection and Bint Al Reem. Will see how Hannon’s get on in earlier races and decide whether to have a saver on Tabarrak.
Best of luck.
Value Is EverythingSeems you’re allowed to sxxt on Timeform or anyone else’s way of doing things/opinion without anyone being allowed a reply then Steve. This is a forum for “discussion”.
Leave my health out of any “discussion” you think you are having.
Bringing my health into this and suggesting it is impairing my judgement is a dirty trick from a low-life scumbag.
Am concerned for you Steve, that’s all. Stop trying to see the worst in people and instead focus on their words. Last time taking to abusive language like this it was you who used the excuse of your health. I’ve been very restrained in my language, have not responded in kind and even made excuses for you. But fair enough, if it is not blood/sugar levels then there are no excuses for your abusive behaviour.
Stop calling me names and get back to what you know about – the horses.
It is not “people” I have a problem with. It is just yourself.
At no time have I come onto your thread and criticised your processes. I am actually trying my best to steer clear of you as much as possible.
It is you who is following me around like a bad smell and butting in where I don’t want your opinion. What gives you the right to take issue with my opinions on other people in the media or any statements I find odd from tipping outlets? That is nothing to do with you unless you work for and are representing them. If they have any issue they can tackle me directly. You can have your opinion on it and leave me with mine. That is the way a forum works, it is not about barging in and telling people they are wrong.
You are claiming I am going over the score here in other posts. Where is the evidence? Nobody else has taken issue with anything I have said. If they have taken offence they need only point out where they think I was wrong and a full apology will be issued if it is due.
You do not know me, and there is no logical reason that you should be at all concerned about my health. I do not need to be suffering from blood sugar problems to be fed up with your continual interruptions into my posts. I have made it clear on several occasions that I am not interested in what you have to say. I do not find you a good person to debate with because there is simply no point. Your views are fixed and inflexible and you frustrated another person to breaking point with the same tactics over on the Leger thread.
You make a profit from your punting and that is all well and good. I suspect that you don’t punt very heavily but if you are making money it is all well and good. You pick a lot of horses and put a lot of points on, the yields look good but you are punting a lot to make the profit. You would know yourself what actual odds you are betting your money to but £20,000 invested to make £5000 profit is easily seen for the well odds-on investment it is overall.
Perhaps, if I, like Timeform picked three in every race and sometimes the 1st three in the betting at that, I might have a higher strike rate and make sustainable long term profit. I can see the sense in £20000, spread over many bets as lower risk than sticking it all on a 1/4 shot and potentially losing it in one fell swoop. That is effectively the way that you are punting.
I don’t use Timeform and only check it out of curiosity to see what they are thinking. Sometimes I see the sense in their picks and agree with them and sometimes I don’t follow their thinking and disagree. I cannot see the harm in stating where I can’t understand their logic. Most recently I didn’t see their logic that a horse who was beaten odds on twice, was giving a good account of itself. That was just counter intuitive from a punters point of view to see a twice odds on beaten horse listed as doing well, because I suspected that those who had backed her on those two occasions would have taken little comfort from thinking that she was progressing steadily. Timeform had the last laugh and didn’t need you coming onto my post and having a jibe at my expense.
If anyone should be getting back to the horses it is yourself. You have upset more people on this forum than I have and I have no problem with anyone else. I just don’t happen to like your style and I think you are obsessed with Timeform and any criticism thereof. You also don’t know when to let things lie and that’s a weakness in the end.
I was ready to give up this forum after the Derby but it became a useful distraction for me as I was nursing two of my pets through the last few months of their lives. They have both passed away now and it is time I passed away from this forum.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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