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  • #1345444
    buckers
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    I could be tempted with American here at 20-1, + I also like A Genie In A Bottle at 33-1. I will hold off though to see if American runs at Cheltenham.

    #1345461
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    I like American too but may sacrifice the price and wait for NRNB. Surprised they didn’t leave him in the Ultima till they saw what the ground was likely to do next week. If it dries to good on Friday they might not risk his knees. It’ll be a pity if it’s suitable ground for the Ultima on Tuesday and he doesn’t have the option.
    He’s not going to Kelso so if he doesn’t run this week it’s getting a bit close for comfort for a prep run before Aintree. I think he has the ability but maybe a bit lacking in experience for the Grand National. Especially if he only has one and a half runs under his belt this season.
    So then Irish National more likely target- ground permitting- as kinder to the less experienced (cf Our Duke)? Get on for Fairyhouse if he doesn’t run at Cheltenham? Unless of course he fails to run cos the knees are playing him up?
    :scratch: :unsure:

    #1345478
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    Fry is tempted to supplement him for the GC, deciding tomorrow which is the supplement deadline. So definitely not injured.

    #1345640
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    Very happy with Pairofbrowneyes today. Couldn’t watch the race, as having a day to forget at work, so had a small ew at 50’s beforehand. Finally gave it a watch now I’m home, and had the main body of the bet at 25’s. I think that’s far too big, and though there’s still plenty of other targets for him, and this isn’t that far away, I had to have a second go on him.

    Pairofbrowneyes Each Way 25’s

    #1347531
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    Very interested in Fagan here now, with him having missed Cheltenham due to ground issues. There’s the obvious risk with the ground again, not to mention potential engagements elsewhere around Easter, but he should be good to go, he’s on a nice mark, in fact a very nice mark, and even with those question marks, 33’s look big.

    #1347573
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    I think that Sutton Manner could be in here on a very lenient mark of 137, and
    at 33/1 I think he’s decent value in this. Since turning chasing in October last
    year he’s run 7 times, and although he’s only got his head in front once he’s run well against some
    very good horses. He kicked off in October, finishing 13L behind Presenting Percy at level weights
    and barring a mistake 2 out he probably would have been closer. I need say no more about Percy.
    Next out he’s 3rd behind Monalee, again off level weights, and that one is a 155+ rated chaser
    now.

    December he’s 2nd behind The Story Teller off level weights, at Fairyhouse. That one won the Plate
    at the Festival off 147. Later that month was his win at Down Royal over 2m 31/2f, and even then he
    looked like he needed further. February this year he was beaten a long way at Leopardstown, but after an
    iffy jump at the 2nd last, he was given an easy time of it by Jack Kennedy. Last time out, earlier this
    month, he fell in the Leinster National. I didn’t see the race first time round, so watched it back
    yesterday. He was travelling well when he came down at the 8th. The camera angle isn’t the best, it
    shows them jumping it from behind, but it looked like he jumped it ok and then stumbled just after
    landing.

    The one poor run, 1st time out this year, and the fall last time have kept his mark down at 137. If
    you take in his early chases, against very good opposition, he looks like he could be well in here.
    He needs a few to come out, but I think there’s every chance he will get in here, and he’s not entered
    at Aintree so no worries there.

    #1347577
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    Good spot bigG. A rake of the entries will probably come out…so many ran at Cheltenham and there was no such thing as an easy race there unless you were pulled up in the first mile.
    33s looks good.

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    He’s still in my top two Graham, along with Any Second Now. He’s a massive player here, and if he doesn’t go close in this, then one of those big handicaps on the last day of Punchestown is surely the plan. He’s just too well treated, and miles better than he showed last time. No money down yet on Any Second Now either, but I don’t think he had that hard a time of it at Cheltenham, once beaten, and I’m sure he’ll be pushing favouritism if he runs here. As I said, I reckon he needs a trip, and this will be more suitable than The Close Bros.

    It might just be I’ll have to go “four handed” here, as don’t want to miss that 33’s Fagan either, and with Pairofbrowneyes already bet, it might make sense to go with the four, and lay off nearer the time for a free go.

    #1347741
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    After her defeat today, I am glad I did not take the plunge on DDO. Thank you Jack for that, as you sure swayed me.

    I have bet 2 for this.

    I have went for A Genie In A Bottle st 33-1, though I have also bet him for Aintree, and I think at the sane odds, Snow Falcon is Double the odds he should be. Both of them are each way.

    #1347746
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    Yeah Autumnal, i have to admit, i was shocked she couldnt win that today, it was a poor race. I think they’ve struck early with her and wisely so. Mind you, i wouldn’t be surprised if they send her here still, giggy will have loads of runners. Win this and it’ll be a massive step towards the trainers champ for GE.

    Also, on your selections, i see the Irish Field advertising an interview with Meade at the weekend with the quote “If he’s well enough to run in the Irish GN, he’ll have a serious chance”….i can only presume it’s one of yours, might be worth reading this weekend!

    The market for this is quite amusing, plenty of novices short based on Our Dukes great win last year.

    Monbeg Notorious would have to be up there on the shortlists, he looks a gruelling stayer, it might be a worry if it dries out though. Dounikos as well.

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    Children’s List is my long term fancy for this and the Aintree race as well. He’ll want proper spring ground which looks unlikely. I’m definitely not letting him go unbacked and have had a few quid on at 33s. If he turns up he won’t be close to that. PUlled up on his last start, he jumped very well out of ground he would have hated. He was travelling brilliantly until 4 out when he got tired to my eyes and was pulled up to save him for another day.

    I’m sure he’ll be targeted at a spring chase and considering his run in the IGN trial at Punchestown with the trainers title on the line and the huge prize money on offer there can only be one outcome. Provided the ground improves to yielding at worst I’d be very confident this horse will go close.

    #1348130
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    Interesting one Nulty, and he surely has a bit more to offer. I see he got a Topham entry as well, but it’s surely here or The National he’ll head. Good luck with him.

    #1348131
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    Finally taken the plunge on my early 1, 2. About to hit the next declaration stage, and though always a risky practice, I’m taking a chance here while they’re still a fair price. I’ve also taken the 50’s on my old pal Champagne West.

    Hopefully things will go well with this, and I’ll be able to lay off a bit on the day.

    Still hoping Pairofbrowneyes heads here, but he does look perfect for The Topham as well.

    Any Second Now Win 20’s
    Champagne West EW 50’s
    Pairofbrowneyes EW 50’s
    Pairofbrowneyes Win 25’s
    Sutton Manor EW 33’s

    #1348157
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    You got some nice prices there VTC, so good luck with them.

    Ive got 2 running for me at the moment. Looks like the going will be soft at this stage.

    Bellshill 20-1. Shame if he ends up top weight.
    Monbeg Notorious 14-1

    #1348161
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    I would be tend to be against Bellshill, simply because of his current price and the fact he has raced predominantly in small fields. Don’t get me wrong, the bumper runs and the odd race have had more than 10 runners, but very few.

    Mullins doesnt always do well in the big handicap chases, and therefore i’d be happy to swerve him for all his form is thre for all to see and probably a fair bit better than the rest.

    The horse at the head of the market i really like is Monbeg Notorious. A big boat of a horse that loves a test and ease in the ground. The form with Mossback i think is decent.

    I presume Dounikos doesn’t go, but if he did he’d also be intersting. It seems he does go here according to MOL quotes on the RP- happy days.

    Acapella Bourgeois would also be midly interesting off a break, back up in trip on his ground. The issue i have with him is his race style won’t suit the big field handicap. However, if he is prominent throughout, i wouldn’t be surprised if he takes it up in the last mild and tries to force things. Hes been out of form this season, but isn’t a bad horse.

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    #1348183
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    Dounikos’ last run was too bad to be true, MOL said he’s going as long as he’s sound come declaration.
    20s is too big, taken a chance on him turning up.

    #1348185
    Mike007
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    I see Gigginstown are planning to run Outlander off top weight which is good news for us Bellshill backers. :good:

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