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  • #24885
    Avatar photoCheltenhamSpecialist
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    It’s been quite a while since I last posted here…….
    Although I haven’t had the time to spend on forums over the last few years I’ve continued to make my racing pay really well even though these days I restrict myself almost exclusively to Irish racing and UK Hunter chasing.
    I’ve always found Irish racing easier and less time consuming and I haven’t really got the time to spend on the (less predictable) game in The UK.
    Here’s a list of some of my longer term fancies, make of them what you will , those of you who remember me will hopefully also recall that my selections always made a healthy profit. I’ll try to find the time when I can to explain the reasoning behind my selections (some are obvious, some are from the left field) but no promises

    Cheltenham Friday Next : REBEL FITZ (Banker)
    Paddy Power Gold Cup : HIDDEN CYCLONE (EW, currently 25-1, his jumping needs to be at his best)
    Hennessey Gold Cup : MOSSEY JOE (Easily the best horse to run in a Hunter Chase since Freddie. Off his current mark he’s an absolute banker, Not one for Ante Post backers though, he won’t run if the ground isn’t dry enough)

    THE FESTIVAL

    Arkle : REBEL FITZ
    Bumper : NATHAN’S PRIDE
    Champion Hurdle : OUR CONOR
    Foxhunters Chase : MOSSEY JOE (If Absent HARBOUR COURT)
    Gold Cup : MOSSEY JOE
    Jewson : FLEMENSTAR
    Mares : ANNIE POWER
    Neptune : SHU LEWIS
    Stayer’s Hurdle : SOLWHIT
    Supreme Novices : CASUAL CONQUEST

    #454653
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    http://www.russianworldforums.com/images/smilies/welcomeback.gif

    Nice of Mrs Cs to let you back on here, good luck. What’s your thoughts on the Champion Hurdle?

    edit – I see you put up Our Connor.

    Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026

    #454668
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    Good to see you back.

    #454725
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    Thanks Nathan, Rich

    Just a thought for tomorrow……

    CAIM HILL, a talented but complex racehorse. I don’t think that’s open to argument

    Q : Can he win The Irish Ceasarewitch?
    A : Yes, if the race goes his way but we’ll know what his chances are after the first furlong.

    I feel I know this horse as well as anyone, I sometimes wonder if perhaps I know him better that Philip Fenton
    Here’s the conundrum, we know he doesn’t like jumping obstacles, indeed obviously he hates fences, as a side question, am I the only one that thinks Fenton is far from the best at schooling jumpers? (Exhibit 1, Dunguib) I’d have given up running him over fences years ago.
    I’ve always rated Caim Hill from way back in his NHF days but it became blatantly obvious to me quite early in his jumping career that he’d never be a NH horse so when he belated appeared on the flat a year or so ago he became a “must back” animal and in nine runs he’s really paid his way with 4 wins from 9 outings, W 8-1 : W14-1 : W 6-1 : W 5-1
    OK, I lost a packet on him at Galway when he didn’t get the run of the race but that’s the critical factor, unlike in his bumper days he now needs to there or thereabouts in his races, if he’s got too many horses in front of him he sulks and his race is over before it’s really started.
    There are 30 runners tomorrow so he’ll need to get away really smartly and there’s no guarantee that’ll happen with a flag start, and then there’s his jockey…..Fran Berry.
    Fine jockey, that’s not in dispute, normally I wouldn’t think twice about backing one of his mounts but is he the best choice for a horse that needs to be up with the pace? On balance I’d say no, Fran’s forte is swooping late and that won’t work for Caim Hill. I’d prefer someone naturally at home at the head of the field like Pat Smullen or Joseph O’Brien for instance.
    So the question is to punt or not?
    Although I hate to bet in handicaps I’m well in the black with Caim Hill so I’ve had a little EW at 25-1…..a huge price for a horse of his ability. If I was on betfair I’d wait till they’d got a furlong or so and if he was in the first six I’d have a decent punt.
    I wouldn’t rule out Giant Quest’s chances either, an altogether more straightforward animal.

    #454936
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    Great to have you back CS :) I emailed you earlier in the year but perhaps it went astray!

    I see you have selected Our Conor for the Champion Hurdle, were you aware of the recent rumours? Apparently he hasn’t come back in the same horse at all. Whether there’s any truth in it I don’t know, hopefully not. He did miss his weekend engagement but is due out at Naas this weekend I think.

    Looking forward to your words of wisdom this season :P

    #455173
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    Thanks for the kind words Tommy, sorry if I missed your email, this last year has been chaotic, I’ve had to take a year out of my retirement to help sort out the aftermath of a major embezzlement that went on in what used to be “my day job”. It’s all but sorted out now and is in the hands of the fraud squad, so I’m back home with more time for racing

    Re Our Conor, no I hadn’t heard any negative rumours, and I don’t expect we’ll learn too much from a run on the flat in October. If flat form translated to jumps we’d all be on Bob Le Beau for the Supreme Novices!”!!!
    Even if Our Conor isn’t quite right after last season he has a similar profile as a 3YO/4YO to Kirriemuir who took his time to get over his astonishing juvenile season but still came good on the big day. He too was Champion Hurdle Ante Post fav over the Winter and subsequently won easily on the day, but at 50-1 if I recall correctly. Keep the faith.
    Big disappointment for me this week is the poor turnout for Rebel Fitz’s Novice Chase tomorrow, I’d been planning a huge bet, now I may have to rethink the volume of my stake, I don’t like these tiny fields, who knows how the race is going to be run?

    #455266
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    Assuming it’s a truly run race I can’t see Rebel Fitz getting beat, I’m assuming the Tizzard horse will have to make the running to try to run the finish out of Fitz but he looks a bit of a softie and based on all known form, he’ll falter on the hill.
    I’d be a lot more confident of the outcome if there had been a few more runners and no chance of a falsely run racer so it’s a hefty bet but not a huge one.

    If Toner D’Oudairies latest run can be taken at anywhere near face value (and it looked ok to me) then Sizing Symphony EW looks real value in the 3 Mile Novice Chase

    #456914
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    Although I’ve had very few bets in October those I have had have been very expensive and I’ve suffered the worst start to a NH season in years. (My NH season runs from October to the Stratford Hunter meeting in June)
    Thankfully October is behind me, it’s November now and a big thanks to Mrs CS for persuading me to lump on Jezki last night at 4-9, not the sort of bet I’d usually have and not even one I’d dream of putting up at a Daily Play, anyway by the time we’d had dinner he was down to 1-4.
    Those who know me know how rarely I back McCoy, a jockey I never seem get on the right day.
    With most of October’s losses recouped on Jezki I’ve got MrsCS’s blessing to have a really decent EW bet on Sizing Europe 3-1 EW with Paddy Power , enough to put me well in the black on the season
    I know he’s never won over 3 miles but I’ve always thought he get the trip and his record is so much better than the frustrating First Lieutenant and the going should be better than in his last two tries at Down Royal.

    #456917
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    The good ground will definitely help him get the trip CS but I don’t think I’d have the confidence to go in hard each way with just seven runners. As I’ve posted on my thread I’d consider backing Mount Benbulben if there were eight runners but I’ll probably leave the race alone now. The ground would be put me off him somewhat anyway.

    With the ground as it is I think if I were having a large each way punt I’d rather it be on First Lieutenant than Sizing Europe.

    #456923
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    I’ve just had a look at Sizing Europe’s previous efforts over three miles. I incorrectly thought he looked a blatant non stayer on both occasions, but that’s far from the case. The first time, when he finished second behind Kauto Star with China Rock in third, he never jumped with the same speed that he does over shorter trips and was very deliberate. In the circumstances it wasn’t a bad run to finish just four lengths behind the winner.

    The year Quito De La Roque beat him, he went head to head with The Nightingale from a long way out at what was a crazy pace on the ground. Unsurprisingly he stopped to a walk late on as Quito ground him down.

    The only times he’s been beaten since that effort were when beaten into second in the Champion Chase the year of the final fence fiasco, and finishing second to Sprinter Sacre twice last season.

    Last season he looked better in his efforts over two an half miles than at two, in particular when winning in a canter at Clonmel.

    Earlier in the week I thought Mount Benbulben was the one. Earlier today I thought First Lieutenant might be the value. Right now I think you’re right and Sizing Europe will win. Tomorrow I’ll tell you Quito De La Roque is a certainty!

    #457295
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    thehorsesmouth wrote….
    01 Nov 2013, 19:40
    "I’ve just had a look at Sizing Europe’s previous efforts over three miles. I incorrectly thought he looked a blatant non stayer on both occasions, but that’s far from the case. The first time, when he finished second behind Kauto Star with China Rock in third, he never jumped with the same speed that he does over shorter trips and was very deliberate."

    Same story on Saturday, he needs to be going quicker than 3 mile pace for his jumping to have it’s usual crispness. That was obvious after 3 or 4 fences but it’s nevertheless frustrating to end up £250 out of pocket while beating all the main contenders but getting turned over by the outsider of the field.

    Having a rare "Overseas" EW bet tonight, Simenon/Mullins/Hughes, they look a formidable combo off the allotted weight

    #457458
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    £400 recouped on Simenon, some price!!!! I was "on" at 8-1 Best Odds, the 20’s was a very pleasant suprise.
    I’ve had a wee bit on EW Emmit Buttery’s Ecuha Got 7s this morning now 3s, well in on Galway form, stable due another coup in The UK

    The rest (of the £400) has gone on Quito De la Roque at 9/4 with Laddys GREAT price!
    On a line through Days Hotel he’ll surely be too good for Realt Dbuh although neither are animals I’d trust with my life.

    #458304
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    I’ve had a wee bit on EW Emmit Buttery’s Ecuha Got 7s this morning now 3s, well in on Galway form, stable due another coup in The UK

    Second, but he came good for me next time out. I saw his entry as they were going into the stalls, I rarely look at All Weather, no time to post, only just got on, sorry for the afterpost :(

    That said I’m still well in the red
    Two solid EWs this weekend

    DIAMOND HARRY

    HIDDEN CYCLONE

    #458679
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    Paddy Power Gold Cup : HIDDEN CYCLONE (EW, currently 25-1, his jumping needs to be at his best)

    I kept the faith today, hard to do after Diamond Harry’s disappointing show on Friday but I’d earmarked Hidden Cyclone for this race way back when I was in a hot streak of form!
    I made him around a 7-1 shot today so at (18-1, BOG) 20-1 and a 1/4 the odds 5 places!!! I had to go in heavy and with purpose, 3rd place finally lifted out of the red even if it is only by a couple of hundred £££s
    For now I’ll be playing it with bit more restraint after a couple of heavy losses.
    Money is on SEA LORD @ 11/8 while John Ferguson’s other runner PINE CREEK looks worth a little EW

    ISAS can obviously be put on Hurricane Fly, even at 10% interest (1/10) for the loan of your savings to Paddy Power for 6 minutes or so, that’s an APR than would make the shareholders of Wonga weep with envy and have David Cameron asking questions in Parliament

    #458730
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    I’ve added UPSIE to today’s bets 10/11 looks exceptional value considering the current form of Willie Mullins, the fact she’s considered good enough to merit an entry in The Hatton’s Grace and the indisputable fact that the form of the opposition is peppered with question marks

    #459269
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    Very minor loss on Sunday, still a tad in front on the season but it looks as if it’s big money time again tomorrow

    ANNIE POWER looks home and hosed, She can lead, she can wait so the pace shouldn’t be a problem. This mare looks the real deal.

    BOB’S WORTH too looks worth decent money, unbeaten going Left Handed, seems to go well fresh, only Tidal Bay worries me in the slightest (Might be worth an EW saver @ 9/1)

    #459636
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    Slowly but unsurely I’ve gradually worked back into a small profit, Annie Power looked the horse I thought she was although I feel 2 miles in The Champion Hurdle might be too short for her at that level, class might see her through, the trip never bothered Flyingbolt, but she finished in the manner of a World Hurdle contender.

    No big bets today, a wee double on Moyle Park and Ballycasey, two more Festival contenders?
    Followed by an EW on Tofino Bay in the hope the ground won’t be too quick

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