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Herculian Prince just had the weight of the "it will win comment."
And More Joyous – practically perfection.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp … 5929709752
Turnbull Stakes has been moved to Sunday thanks to a 68-68 final score in the GF chiswickian mentioned. Back-ups for Caulfield will be on an even tighter schedule. Shouldn’t bother any Australian horses, though.
A nice win to Bart’s Precedence there following on from his previous good performance as reported on this thread.
quote]Further to this, Cummings stable foreman Reg Fleming has suggested that Precedence is the stables number one Cup hope this year. I managed to get a bit on at 25s straight after the race on Friday. UK bookmakers obviously didnt know that a race that can have such a big impact on the Melbourne Cup was taking place. Why do they price up these races when they obviously have no idea what they are doing?
Does anyone think Precedence might be a distance doubt at the 3200m? In Sydney in the Autumn (SH "time") he was dominant until he stretched out to 2600m, pulled hard, and lost. Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but is he a certain stayer?
This is a massive argument in Australia – will Precedence stay the 3200m?
I tend to think not, despite the fact he’s trained by Bart.
Not all Zabeels stay two miles (or won’t stay two miles), a few that come to mind include Rainbow Styling, Maldivian, Champagne (although she ran 3190m), Lad of the Manor, Activation, etc.
But you can’t right off Bart.
In fact, I have one of his stablemates in my top 3 at the moment, despite the fact he hasn’t gone beyond 2040m.
GO SO YOU THINK!!! (and Monaco Consul and Eastern Aria)
In fact, I have one of his stablemates in my top 3 at the moment, despite the fact he hasn’t gone beyond 2040m.
GO SO YOU THINK!!! (and Monaco Consul and Eastern Aria)
He’s not just any horse, though.
He’s possibly the best 1m 2f/2000m Turf horse in the world.
Hay List won’t be winning the Melbourne Cup, or a Cox Plate, but I see he will be winning the Gilgai on Sunday.
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I’ve said on this thread before that I don’t think Precedence or Herculian Prince could win the Cup. Didn’t expect Gai’s to step on banana peel so early in the game. They usually wait for dismal failure until they cross the border into Victoria.
Precedence I have a few doubts about. He may still lack maturity and strength at this stage for a tough 3200m race. We’ll see how he goes when the screws are really turned tight. The Moonee Valley race was perfect for him. Should get another chance next time out too.
Hay List has two more Melbourne runs scheduled before a possible tilt at HK. It sure will be interesting to see him in December.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing … 15zai.html
One of the few things I’ve got right to date regarding this race (not hard tbh) – Alandi was a billion, trillion to 1 chance. Good to see common sense prevailing in the end.
Hay List now not racing in HK, going to have a run down the straight six at Flemington tomorrow, then going to the Moir on Cox Plate day, followed by the Patinack Farm Classic down the straight on the last day of the Melbourne Cup Carnival.
Big races coming up today – The Metropolitan (2400m) has been a good lead up to the Caulfield and Melbourne Cups – last horse to complete the Metrop/Caulfield Cup double is Tawqeet in 2006 (Railings did it in 2005), while the last horse to complete the Metrop/Melbourne Cup double was Macdougal all the way back in 1959. However, Saintly did run in the Metrop in 1996, started at $2.10 and was beaten into 3rd by Hula Flight and Nothin’ Leica Dane. He subsequently won the Cox Plate and the Melbourne Cup.
The main chances look Herculian Prince (who is attempting to do what Glastonbury did in 1994, back up a week after finishing last and winning), Mr Charlie (who probably won’t make the Caulfield Cup even if he wins, but looks a nice Melbourne Cup type), No Wine No Song (9yo now but won the Colin Stephen Quality last week, is on a Melbourne Cup trail) and the import Mourayan (finally getting up to 2400m will suit, needs to show something here).
Then you have the Craven Plate, a G3 over 2000m. A good lead up race for those who are already qualified for the Cups.
The hot favourite is Triple Honour, and he should go to the Caulfield Cup a winner. Main dangers look to be Purple, who isn’t entered for the Cups, and C’est La Guerre, who needs to run top 3 here to pass the first ballot clause for the Caulfield Cup (he has a high enough weight to get in automatically if he can run top 3).
In Melbourne tomorrow, you have what can probably be called the traditional Caulfield Cup leadup – the Turnbull Stakes. 18 of the 20 acceptors are entered in the Melbourne Cup (C’est La Guerre’s been scratched so it is 17 of 19) – the only two who aren’t are Cox Plate-bound mare Typhoon Tracy and the first emergency Raffaello.
I like Monaco Consul at 20-1, think that he is heading the right way at the moment.
Shocking is the favourite from Shoot Out, Typhoon Tracy, Moudre (2nd emergency), Dariana, Descarado, Faint Perfume, Metal Bender, Vigor and Zipping.
Probably one of the better Turnbulls!
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Herculian Prince does bounce back but the run of the race has to be Mourayan. Caught wide, sent to the lead 800 out and run down late. Cherry ripe for a Cups tilt now.
Let’s see how Gai’s wonder goes when he hits the southern state.
Don’t ask about the $*&+$!* Grand Final.
Very interesting card tomorrow. I’d better set the clock once I can work out the time diff. Daylight savings starts in Oz this evening.
http://www.superracing.com.au/heraldsun … late/17790
Any opinion on Zipping winning? At least he’s on course for the Sandown Classic again.
Shocking was obviously very good (in fact, he was better than that) again under what appeared to be not an over-vigorous ride when getting clear, even if Rodd can look "quieter" than most jockeys.
Metal Bender got outpaced, ran on. Just as normal, like he would over any distance, which is not a bad thing.
Faint Perfume was in the end beaten a fair distance. Her run wasn’t that bad imo. The 5 horses who fought out the finish were the genuine G1 wfa horses (perhaps I’m stretching it a bit) and they drew clear. Faint Perfume did beat the rest and was eased off when beaten. She showed something, at least.
http://www.racingvictoria.net.au/asset/ … 061010.pdf
Updated order of entry.
Herculian Prince received a 2kg penalty for winning the Metropolitan.
Profound Beauty will run in the Melbourne Cup and not Canada. She always going to run in the Melbourne Cup this time.
Buccellati is pointlessly sitting at number 19 in the order of entry. He should, thankfully, fall out of the top 24 by the first Tuesday in November.
Alcopop is entered up in the probable So You Think Vs Whobegotyou match race at the weekend.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … 75679/top/
Arguably the biggest news to hit the race.
SF won’t be running in the Melbourne Cup.
Not sure where the Buccellati comment comes from. He was finally coming into a suitable race following his only runs under 2000m in three years, changed his racing pattern, and him and Shoot Out were the only ones running in the front half of the field to finish it off. And this was after he was galloped on. The Turnbull actually showed that he deserves his spot.
I’ll explain my thoughts on Buccellati later on. He was beat 6l and receiving 3kg from Shocking, Zipping and Metal Bender.
Currently about to watch the Herbert Power with Precedence, Moudre, Linton and Doctor Fremantle. Plus any of the others that want to stake a claim for something as well.
Linton won beating Cedarberg. Same comments as before from "Team Williams" after the race about whether they will run him in the Melbourne Cup, Caulfield Cup is definitely out.
Cedarberg, who finished 2nd, got the jump in the sprint for home on Precedence (3rd) and Linton.
Precedence would have run at worst 2nd if he settled better early on. Hard to tell if he also never had completely clear running on the turn/down the side when Linton and Cedarberg circled round him.
And Moudre (4th) was kept out wide by the seemingly hopeless Doctor Fremantle for much of the race. The only reason seemingly is there is just in-case he hasn’t pulled up sound.
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All set for the Caulfield Cup in the morning with the rain bucketing down over the last day or so. That will give Luca’s Manighar a better chance although I’m not convinced he’s a Gr1 12f horse. Mourayan said to be an unlikely runner. I can’t see the other ex Euro Mr Medici winning.
Buccellati has been bought along slowly this season after a busy backend to 2009. His last run over ten furlongs certainly showed glimmers of hope. Given that he can find his best form and taking a line through his 12f win over Blue Monday on soft ground two seasons ago he has a squeak. I’ve seen plenty of worse 100/1 pops. Wouldn’t be the first Euro to find his form on Caulfield Cup day.
That’s it for the Euros. What about the locals folks?
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