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January 10, 2009 at 01:55 #202865
Moehat
His French sire (Garde Royale) has had a runner up in the race and marathons have always looked within his compass. I like him more than some of his more fancied Irish trained counterparts.
Vic Venturi is still my dark one though until he proves otherwise!
January 10, 2009 at 08:02 #202901PN is babbling rubbish to keep them of his back. Can hear him now if Kauto Star beats him in the GC "Denman is looking great after his defeat in the Gold Cup" "He’s so well in himself we have to go for it as he might never get a chance like this again" or some BS pretty near to it.
Last week he was warming to the chance now he’ll run if only!!! Bla! Bula Bula Bla!…..PN at his best
If Denman does get beat then I dont see how it can be Kauto who wins unless Denman falls, gets hampered or breaks down.
I’ll crack the jokes
January 10, 2009 at 08:18 #202902How depressing
January 11, 2009 at 22:29 #203284BUTLER’S CABIN: If ever a horse was laid out for a race it’s this one. Jonjo says he only runs when he feels like it and the problem is in his head. Much to everyone’s surprise he came right just in time for last years race and was absolutely cantering when he came down at Beechers. He has run over hurdles in his last 2 races supposidly to boost his confidence One to keep your eye on and he won’t start anywhere near 20/1 on the day.
NOTRE PERE: I first noticed this horse when he beat a Mullins horse called Knocknabooly and he looked like a real stayer in the making that day. He then won a Grade1 novice over 3 miles gainlooking like staying would be his game. I never knew he was running in the Welsh Grand National and wouldn’t have backed but wasn’t surpised when he won it.
He’s tough as old boots had enough speed to win over hurdles at 2m.He has won on good ground but scraped home but has obvious claims if he gets cut in the ground. If it came up heavy he would still be going when others had cried enough. Would bet him a few days before the race if it looked like coming up soft.COUDY LANE: Joint favourite last season. Not many horses have a season like he had last year and go on to win the National although Highland Wedding does spring to mind. Cloudy Lane had 3 hard races winning them all prior to Aintree and there is every reason to believe he may have been over the top at Aintree. Donald McCain is no one’s fool and looks to be taking things a bit slower with the horse this season. I would expect him to be much closer this year as he is obviously being trained with only the National in mind.
DENMAN: Obviously if he runs he will take the world of beating but giving lumps of weight to a horse like Butler’s Cabin at his best, even if he is out of the handicap, is a lot to ask. Perhaps he is good enough to poach an unassailable lead on the 2nd circuit but he doesn’t have a second turn of foot IMO and anything decent is with him over the last 3 fences I think he’ll be beaten.
CHARACHTER BUILDING: He’s been slightlly disappointing since winning over hurdles and needs to improve on his bare form. John Quinn has always said he’s a national horse and the trip is expected to bring the very best out of him. Hard to ignore he was expected to win the Boylepoker.com Chase and was beaten a very long way by Mon Mome. He may not have the class it takes to win the National these days but could be one of the safest EW bets in the race.
SIMON: Very often horses fall out of favour with punters and this one seems to be one of those. He was tracking the leaders and still going well when he unseating his rider at Valentines last year. He won the Racing Post Chase and the Great Yorkshire at this time of year last season and the 33/1 on offer looks very generous.
January 20, 2009 at 15:30 #205307I was quite taken by Killbeggan Blade’s run on Sunday. Admittedly it was noly a novice hurdle round Towcester but it shopwed he remains in good heart, while others from the yard have not been as good since Christmas. Also by giving a higher rated chaser, who has decent form this year, a good beating and conceding weight, it shows his chase mark may be lower than his current ability. He’s the right age, seems to have plenty of stamina and goes on any ground. Obviously we don’t know his mark and the Denman factor will play a part, but if he runs and Denman doesn’t he should be below the 11st mark, but in the weights and wouldn’t be the worst bet ever.
January 20, 2009 at 18:19 #205344what age is he? he was in my long list for last years race….
January 21, 2009 at 16:34 #205536He’s 10 now so falls right into the 9-10 year old age band that has dominated the race for the last few years. He’s also having what is now becoming the modern way to train a horse for the race, namely avoiding too many chases and exploiting novice or handicap hurdles to protect the mark the race at Sandown was designed to get him.
January 21, 2009 at 16:41 #205540Southern Vic for me – bit concerned he’s not been seen since his unlucky unseated at Aintree but he jumped well enough there for me to back him for this with a light weight and he looks like he’ll stay the 4m+ with ease.
Any news on him at all?
January 22, 2009 at 16:06 #205746Southern Vic is entered in the Normans Grove Chase over 2 miles at Fairyhouse tomorrow IS. The meeting is in doubt though due to the weather. Inspection at 7:30am.
January 25, 2009 at 02:46 #206351Why is Black Apalachi out to 70?
I tried googling him, but gave up after the first couple of pages.
January 26, 2009 at 14:58 #206579Southern Vic is entered in the Normans Grove Chase over 2 miles at Fairyhouse tomorrow IS. The meeting is in doubt though due to the weather. Inspection at 7:30am.
For a horse running over an inadequate trip, he ran well and will be interesting when stepped back up in distance, which I’m guessing will be after the National weights are out.
January 27, 2009 at 23:52 #206797C’mon, I need to know the entires. Who works for Weatherby’s here??? I need to know if Kilcrea Castle, Niche Market, King Harald, Halcon Genelardais,Vic Venturi, Arbor Supreme, etc have all been entered.
January 27, 2009 at 23:57 #206802Same here.
I’ve researched the RSA Chase while I’ve been waiting. (Top Of The Rock will be a "surprise" winner of a 3m chase sometime over the next few months.)
Arbor Supreme AND Kilcrea Castle – that’s 2 7yos. We’re all at it.
January 28, 2009 at 03:20 #206848Silver Birch is entered in a point at Nenagh on Saturday
January 28, 2009 at 18:07 #206894I’m surprised to hear that King John’s Castle is back in training for the race.I can’t find a list of entries anywhere but there seems to be money going on Abbeybraney, Southern Vic and Niche Market so assume they’ve been given entries.
January 28, 2009 at 22:01 #206918Had a sneaky £2 on Niche Market at 280’s a couple of weeks ago! My portfolio is quite laughable! Loads of silly little £2’s here and there. Glad to see King Harald is in there (another £2 at 200’s!).
A couple of those in there intrigue me. One Cool Cookie is one of them. I suspect he will go for Fairyhouse but he really does have an outstanding staying pedigree. Hasn’t been campaigned that much over three miles + but rather like A Piece Of Cake a few years ago his influences show a strong indication that 4 miles would be within his compass.
Ice Tea is another but for purely coincidental reasons given that his damsire is Kambalda, sire of Miinnehoma whose silks were red and yellow as is Ice Tea’s!!!
Kings Advocate ran a cracking comeback race at the weekend too. There’s a cavalcade of horses coming back from injury in this year’s entries.
But no Halcon. I don’t pay the horse’s bills but surely there is a certain lack of ambition with this horse.
January 28, 2009 at 22:11 #206920The prices have just come up on Oddschecker; all we have to do now is decide which horses are definately going to run; what the handicapper is going to do with them and work out if Denman is likely to run or not…surprised about Halcon, I must say.
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