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    darren83
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    ARMORY 25/1

    Only worry i got might come to Newmarket for july meeting i hope not he had stacks on hand way he look trap in but when he got out went clear this a high class colt for me normally this meeting when we see classic winners

    #1449217
    darren83
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    Missed Newmarket but instead goes to tyros stakes tomorrow so hope he wins well.Any views on 2000 guineas

    #1449221
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Aidan’s Tyros winners tend to turn out to be half decent anyway, so if he wins that’s a positive alright! Arranmore runs from the Armory maiden later tonight as well.

    He should win + go shorter for the 2000g as a result. The McCreery horse has a lovely pedigree, probably not for tomorrow but worth watching.

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    #1449300
    darren83
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    Any views on Armory yes beat stablemate and 2nd fave was NR but way he won look very good has that pace as well way he won it not like a stayer but a lot of class got.

    #1449303
    ham
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    Think he looked good darren, looked all over a guineas horse for me at this stage! I tried to get the 66/1 for the guineas about a month ago before his run LTO but couldnt get on, seen him at 33s after and was so pissed off i couldnt get the 66/1 i ended up leaving it !! So ive 0 on!!! Haha

    The godolphin horse still looks the best ive seen at this stage for this!

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    jackh1092jackh1092
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    https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/another-group-race-double-for-galileo-as-armory-and-love-shine-at-leopardstown/392112

    Interesting read on his pedigree. Very strong. Looked much pacier than AVD ever did anyway! Wish Justifier had run though.

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    darren83
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    Next start for Armory tonight it is looks deeper race with stablemates like Iberia and Lope y Fernandez but still expect him to win

    Seen Earthlight win morny look like come over for dewhurst could be a cracker

    #1455040
    ham
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    Who knows what this pinatubo is going to be, unbelievable, i doubt aiden has much better than what he had today in the stable, even if he did i highly doubt there 10-15lengths better than armory..

    Unreal stuff

    #1455046
    jackh1092jackh1092
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    Only way he doesn’t win is probably not turning up. Fair chance of that though!

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    #1455050
    TriptychTriptych
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    This could be a repeat of Frankel’s Guineas.
    Not wanting to wish the whole of the jumps season away :whistle: but… bring it on. :yahoo:

    Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...
    #1455059
    ham
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    Yeah jack, if i was them id put him away now, was surprised to hear that there going to turn him out once more, not like they need to win another 2yo group 1 this season.

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    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    It’s not about “need(ing) to win”.
    Horses are for racing.
    It’ll be good to see the horse again as a two year old.
    I can’t remember any horse in my racing life time having such a big Timeform rating this early (before they get to the Dewhurst/Racing Post Trophy/Breeders Cup Juvenile). If there’s an even better performance at Newmarket could be the best two year old ever! Why not try for history?
    Never know we may not see him at three and – even if we do – Pinatubo isn’t the biggest, so not insignificant chance he won’t be as good at three. Let’s see him now!

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    #1455075
    ham
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    That certainly isnt the history there thinking of/trying for/ or interested in ginge. If you gave them a choice to have the highest timeform rated 2yo ever or a guineas win what would they choose?

    Doesnt need to improve, just needs to stay fit.

    They will put him away

    #1455095
    greenasgrass
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    Well he is a butty little fellow and by the sounds of it a chilled out individual who doesn’t kill himself on the gallops and lies around at home all day eating and sleeping, so one more month in training and one more race probably won’t hurt.

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    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    It’s not a “choice” though, is it ham? A choice makes it sound as if connections can decide when a horse gets injured.

    If connections keep Pinatubo in full training for another month – and he gets an injury/dies either in the run up to the Dewhurst or in the race itself… Then – in hindsight – of course they’ll regret the decision to go for the Dewhurst.

    But if not going for the Dewhurst and the horse happens to get injured in the longer lead up to the Guineas or in the Guineas itself; or he happens to run poorly in the Classic and/or never being at the same level of form again… In any of those more likely scenarios they’d regret not running in the Dewhurst at a time when the horse is 100% sound.

    Surely it is best to race when Pinatubo is 100% sound? Because connections don’t know what awaits the horse. Especially as this horse stands on the verge of making history as the best two year old… ever!

    …And although there is a fair chance any horse won’t make it to the Guineas in peak form… There’s also a good chance it can show its form in both Dewhurst AND Guineas… And in this particular case (as betting suggests) an excellent chance of victory in both.

    value is everything
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