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  • #290440
    Avatar photowallace-no7
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    True the fast ground should in theory bring them more together.

    Its between the 2 of them i feel. Great for John Dunlop to get a real good’un.

    He win plenty of Big Races

    #290441
    Fryern
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    Take some beating:

    http://bluesqracing.sportinglife.com/Video/Racing/0,27770,365457,00.html

    #290480
    andyod
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    I presume Eddie Ahern will be riding him from now on.Why not? Stouty will have runners in all the big ones.Eddie is the stable jockey,right?

    #290497
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    In the interests of aftertiming, I managed to get 25/1 about EP winning the Craven and the Guineas about 20 minutes before the race.

    Just noticed Workforce is out to 14s on the machine.

    #290501
    Fryern
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    Zarkava

    I got 20-1 for the 2000 Guineas (again) from my local bookie this am. Didn’t double it up, so who did that for you? It didn’t cross my mind to do that, I just had a win bet at 5/4. I was quoted a miserable 66-1 for the 2000g/Derby double before the Craven (Ladbrokes)!

    Who rides EP in future? Guess Eddie Ahern or RL Moore.

    :D

    #290502
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    Eddie Ahern

    #290531
    Avatar photoZarkava
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    With Victor Chandler. Bet365 quoted 20/1.

    #290549
    Fryern
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    Zarkava

    Well thought out and well done.

    At 6-1 he’s still a cracking ew bet.

    As John said yesterday:-

    "That was very impressive. I didn’t think he was under pressure but he does come off the bridle and he picked up extremely well.

    "I don’t know what the opposition was like. He was odds-on and it was 6-1 the field – they are good judges these punters.

    "There were two things to take out of the Racing Post Trophy.

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    First of all it was slow ground, which didn’t suit, and they didn’t go very fast, so it wasn’t a truly run race

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    "The winner (St Nicholas Abbey) was very impressive at Doncaster but mine is a very, very big horse who has matured through the winter and maybe the other horse hasn’t."

    Moore said: "He’s a big horse and when he hit his stride he quickened up very well.

    "He travelled like the best horse in the race and once he got out he was always going to gallop past them.

    "He showed he’s in good order. He likes the track and handles the ground, so has a lot going for him."

    As I see it he will go from 3f out and I can’t see anything staying with him as a 3yo at Newmarket. He likes the track which has an uphill finish and has plenty of speed and staminar.

    Ew @ 6-1 after that run on that course is a free win bet with some change imo. :D :D

    #290557
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    John’s a gentleman and my current interest is 1st May.

    I’m sure he’ll get the distance, my concern would be will he come down the hill, which isn’t in a big horses favour.

    :D :D

    #290560
    colinf
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    6/1 looks pretty skinny to me considering 1. he doesn’t travel too fluently 2. he went markedly right 3. his half-brother didn’t want to know at all in the next race 4. the yard haven’t had a good one in quite a while &
    5. Ahern will be on-top.

    #290595
    Fryern
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    http://horses.sportinglife.com/Video/Ra … 57,00.html

    Certainly didn’t go markedly right – just slaughtered the field. His half brother is on the dams side and he ran a good third. That was a messy race and the jockey eased into third. If EP is told to go 3f out I can’t see anything staying with him on good ground.

    :D :D

    #290603
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    I thought the commentator got carried away "Dancing David who finished a little behind him in the Racing Post finished a long way behind him today" The difference between a little and a long way was a length and a half.Enthusiasm can sure sway one’s judgment. EP will need all of that to catch SNA in my opinion.A length and a half will bring him within 2lengths of SNA if SNA does not improve like a good Montjeu should.

    #290610
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    The difference is you are batting in the dark. We know EP has moved on and filled out.

    At 6-1 it’s a free win bet ew on EP. It was at 20-1 if you did a ratio bet.

    Sea the Stars winning time 1min 35.88 on faster going
    Elusive Pimpernel (warm up and slowing down at the finish) 1min 37.16
    SNA Doncaster 1min 39.62

    Who said he wasn’t fast enough!!

    Two weeks and a bit to go. :D :D

    #290618
    andyod
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    My point is that without any improvement SNA is still two lengths clear. Is assuming that a Montjeu colt will make the normal progress of a three year old more or less likely? You tell me.I am making that same assumption about Canford Cliffs,Inler,Awzann Workforce and the rest.That is the best I can do. I suppose for Inler,and Workforce and SNA the Guineas will be the definitive answer.For the other two tomorrow will prove informative.

    P.S. To improve a length and a half on Dancing David is less exciting than making up 4 lengths on a brilliant Montjeu two-year-old.Whereas the others mentioned above have yet to meet SNA so they are another story.

    #290633
    Fryern
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    Elusive Pimpernel (warm up and slowing down at the finish) 1min 37.16
    SNA Doncaster 1min 39.62

    A length is 8 feet. 1min 37.16 is 5.5 lengths (45feet) in front of 1min 39.62.

    Interesting.

    #290636
    colinf
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    Those comparisons are absolutely meaningless I’m afraid.

    #290637
    Avatar photoZenjah
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    The only time that will count is the one that is clocked in winning the Guineas – the race has not yet been run!

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