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i do mean laying .my laptop can’t spell !
I too have a keyboard with a mind of it’s own
You’re not far wrong most of these owners are very close to their trainers and love to have a punt when they think they have a chance.
I owned a few horses in my time one of which won a couple of races at Redcar and I couldn’t even tell you how much the prize money was. By the time you pay transport ridng fees and %’s you left with one and onepence anyway.
I doubt if many owners with moderate to fair animals sit and count the pennies and do "what if’s" they just get on with it and have fun.
There can’t be many that are in it for the money. It must only be a few who make much of a profit out of race horse ownership, they’re in it for the fun.
I’m not at all sure how it all works, but presumably the sponsor of the race puts up the prize money? If there was a lower limit, surely that would discourage small businesses and private people sponsoring a race, and presumably, we want to encourage sponsorship.If you can confirm your credentials as headhunter for the BHA Cavelino and once we have agreed my fee I will be happy to develop my blueprint but until then things are as they are.
No fee’s given or taken on TRF Bob. Would be interested to read your ideas following on from a blanket statement you made with nothing to back it up.
I doubt if many owners with moderate to fair animals sit and count the pennies and do "what if’s" they just get on with it and have fun.
Spot on Fist. "Fun" being the operative word.
Burroughhill,
A sponsor subsidises the racecourse, not the connections of the winner.
The course advertises a race as being worth, say, £5,000. If they don’t have a sponsor, they have to pay that from their own income – which comes from their daily payment from the Levy, entry fees and gate money etc.
If they can find a sponsor who will put up £1,000 in exchange for a box and twenty free badges, then they’ve saved a few quid. But the money from the sponsor isn’t added to the original £5,000 as you might expect.
It might be different at the top end of the market, but that’s how it works for the sort of everyday race that this thread is about.
AP
If you can confirm your credentials as headhunter for the BHA Cavelino and once we have agreed my fee I will be happy to develop my blueprint but until then things are as they are.
Cavelino wrote:
No fee’s given or taken on TRF Bob. Would be interested to read your ideas following on from a blanket statement you made with nothing to back it up.Er Cavelino,a reminder first of all that these are MY opinions.whether you think they are backed up or not they are as valid as anyone elses including yours…….. IMO, of course…………(there are over 2000 of yours on here by the way)
IMO there is too much racing.I personally have no interest in anything less than quality and interesting racing rather than betting shop fodder.
If you and your ilk can afford ‘fun’ at the expense of yourselves but more importantly poorly paid stable staff,the potential integrity of the sport and the uncertain future of the animals involved because key elements of the jigsaw are being done on the cheap then thats fine but don’t expect me to be interested or supportive.
The result of overbreeding and the resultant betting shop fodder racing is that eventually everyone involved gets disillusioned and the sport loses supporters because they can’t win under the prevailing conditions i.e owners can’t keep ‘having fun’ losing money and even the most mug punters get tired of betting on iffy looking racing where trying to win the poor prizemoney available may not be the objective.
Better in IMO to encourage the industry to scale down to a size where it can properly fund all of its elements and participants including the horses after their career has ended.This way it will have an appealing product where aswell as ‘having fun’ you have a chance of being reasonably paid and even as an owner god forbid maybe even covering your costs or even winning,if it doesn’t spoil your fun that is.
If the sport gets on to a sound financial footing it can then grow again organically and ethically but never beyond the point where it stops being cost effective’ or economically sustainable like an efficient and well managed business in which all people at all levels can feel good about being involved.
Those at the top level should have this debate as a priority but they will wait till it is too late.
They will wit till the ship is on the rocks before they send someone up to the crows-nest.
Your right AP, all his posts are negative. What a sad life!! Must be all those rainy days standing with a bucket.
As an owner, I agree prize money is a joke. But I’ve been through all this before at length and had the usual response ” If you don’t like it. don’t do it” But no one offers an alternative. I have been lucky and had a few winners, which is more than a lot of others, but the prizemoney divi to thr partners barely covers a months training fees. Why do I do it? I often ask myself that, and the answer is the enjoyment of racing and the horses themselves. I suppose that in the dark recesses of my mind I think I might have stumbled across the next Best Mate!! I’ve got one now that could be above average. [ see what I mean?]Who is the latest prodigy, Happy, and where did you find him?
Well said Bob…
More racing to keep the betting shops open longer hours – that is what British racing has come too.
But punter have only so much money in their pocket and recently a betting shop manager told me that constantly he sees punters coming in when the shop opens and before the first British race has taken place their pockets empty. Dogs, virtual racing and racing from other countries have taken the money from their wallets Those people will bet on anything, so let the bookmakers provide substandard entertainment for them and the british racing industry provide quality enetrtainment for those who want to bet on the real thing.
"Your right AP, all his posts are negative. What a sad life!! Must be all those rainy days standing with a bucket."
Rory confuses negativity with fact.
……Miss the point if you wish but in case it needs to be pointed out,I don’t do tacky slanging matches.
"Your right AP, all his posts are negative. What a sad life!! Must be all those rainy days standing with a bucket."
Rory confuses negativity with fact.
Tom confuses rory with happy.
All very confusing.
How about this as a suggestion for reducing the fixture list?
Taking 2010, for example, the fixture list could easily be cut to 1,075 fixtures.
The basic structure would be all Mondays, apart from Bank Holidays to be blank, as well as Good Friday and the 23rd , 24th and 25th December.
There would then be two basic patterns of racing, with some minor exceptions.
From 1st Jan until 31st March and 1st September until 31st December
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday two afternoon meetings, Friday three afternoon meetings, Saturday four afternoon meetings and Sunday two meetings. With one evening meeting each on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.1st April until 31st August
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday two afternoon meetings and two evening meetings on two of the three days, Friday three afternoon meetings and two evening meetings, Saturday four afternoon and two evening meetings and Sunday three meetings.
Exceptions.
Bank Holiday Monday’s and New Years Day five meetings.
“Classic” Saturday afternoons, i.e. 2,000 Guineas, Grand National, Derby & St Leger only three afternoon meetings. (I know the National is not a classic – hence the quotes)
Evening meetings in the winter presumably all AW? Like the general idea . Seems obvious that the bloated fixture list and horse population both need reducing in the years to come.
I think one way would be for us to get used to eating horsemeat. It solves the problem of what to do with a bad horse at the end of its career.
It has been noted that breeders are very quick in culling stallions, by not using them or exporting them, but they are not so ruthless in reducing their broodmares.
I think we need to remove the stigma of calling in the knackerman.
I mentioned yesterday that the Prix De Diane winner was a Nazi, her sixth dam having won the 1940 Deutches Derby. However, assuming a broodmare produces 12 foals, 6 of which are fillies. If this continues, by the time of the sixth generation there will be about 40,000 fillies/mares, all in tail-female succession from the original. And think of all the other original broodmares as well. Fibbonacci and Malthus were right in stating that this can’t go on – it will be the ruin of all of us.
How about this as a suggestion for reducing the fixture list?
…to be enforced by the Central Commitee of the Politburo
How about this as a suggestion for reducing the fixture list?
Taking 2010, for example, the fixture list could easily be cut to 1,075 fixtures.
All very good in theory Paul.
What are you going to do with the 5000+ horses who’ll be made redundant?
What are you going to tell the trainers and staff who’ll be made redundant?
What are you going to tell the racecourse staff who will be made redundant?
What are you going to tell the owners who cant have a racehorse anymore?
Where are you going to get the subsequent 25-30 million pound shortfall in levy from?
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